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newgenss · 07-28-2009, 11:01 PM

I want to know what will it take to make 500 whp with an NA ( mine is the LS3 of course) cheater bottle don't count either. Bolts on is what I'm talking about. Any info would help?

PolishMike · 07-28-2009, 11:04 PM

Cam, intake, full exhaust and tune will get you between 450-475rwhp. You might be able to get there with a few more bolt ons but may be tough w/o any sort of FI

SoloSK71 · 07-28-2009, 11:06 PM

CAM, headers/exhaust, CAI, ported heads

That should do it.

- SK

pharmd · 07-28-2009, 11:31 PM

How "rough" are you willing to live with. 500rwhp NA will require you to use a pretty big cam, which isn't "that" bad in a manual tranny car, but it will be pretty rowdy...if your a young guy, you'll probably be alright, if not, you may want to think about FI. ALOT of guys are seeing well over 500rwhp with a TVS and headers only...certain vendors will even warranty powertrain with this setup.

newgenss · 07-29-2009, 01:28 AM

I'm 26 so the louder the better! I've always liked the fact that the engine by itself can produce the power to the wheels. I'm not too fond of the whine of a supercharger or the worst a turbo which just makes a more annoying ricer sound, JMHO. I figured I would have to get ported at one point to produce that much power. Thanks for the advice guys!

1320junkie · 07-29-2009, 01:32 AM

525 BHP / 465 lbs-ft of torque

- CNC ported & polished LS3 L92 cylinder heads
- GM 2.165" hollow stem intake / 1.59" solid stem exhaust valves
- Three angle valve job, hand blending of valve seats
- CC chambers, surface, set spring heights and assembly
- Competition Cams valve springs & seals
- Competition Cams GT11 hydraulic roller camshaft
- Ported & polished throttle body
- 160 degree thermostat
- ATI 10% underdrive balancer

rayhawk · 07-29-2009, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

525 BHP / 465 lbs-ft of torque

- CNC ported & polished LS3 L92 cylinder heads
- GM 2.165" hollow stem intake / 1.59" solid stem exhaust valves
- Three angle valve job, hand blending of valve seats
- CC chambers, surface, set spring heights and assembly
- Competition Cams valve springs & seals
- Competition Cams GT11 hydraulic roller camshaft
- Ported & polished throttle body
- 160 degree thermostat
- ATI 10% underdrive balancer

What heads are you talking about, the GM performance parts ported heads? Can't remember the price but they seemed pretty reasonable.

freelancer · 07-29-2009, 06:56 AM

Heads, Cam, Intake, Long Tubes, and some little bits and pieces and your at 500RWHP easy. But you should also look at a new clutch and make sure you have someone that can tune the crap out of a LS3. If it's a daily driver I would seriously NOT recommend it especially since your in Cali. EPA will eat you alive out there.

pharmd · 07-29-2009, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

525 BHP / 465 lbs-ft of torque

- CNC ported & polished LS3 L92 cylinder heads
- GM 2.165" hollow stem intake / 1.59" solid stem exhaust valves
- Three angle valve job, hand blending of valve seats
- CC chambers, surface, set spring heights and assembly
- Competition Cams valve springs & seals
- Competition Cams GT11 hydraulic roller camshaft
- Ported & polished throttle body
- 160 degree thermostat
- ATI 10% underdrive balancer

Correct me if I'm wrong but BHP is "brake horsepower", not RWHP...so it would not include drivetrain loss...

Check out this article from GMHTP... Look at the cam size
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...wap/index.html

toehead93 · 07-29-2009, 04:56 PM

There are several bolt-on + cam combos pulling 500rwhp on LS3 Vettes and I think I've seen a Camaro already. Heads do not need to be touched to reach 500rwhp, of course the sam is nig and migh not be your idea of streetable.

*CamaroSpike23* · 07-29-2009, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayhawk

What heads are you talking about, the GM performance parts ported heads? Can't remember the price but they seemed pretty reasonable.

L92/LS3 heads. get'em ported, polished, and throw some good valvetrain parts at them and they will rock your socks off.

GM4lyfe · 07-29-2009, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newgenss

I want to know what will it take to make 500 whp with an NA ( mine is the LS3 of course) cheater bottle don't count either. Bolts on is what I'm talking about. Any info would help?

I just noticed that your from Cali. Are you planning on moving out? Go with FI and be done with it, be able to pass SMOG and still have room to grow. With the new TVS its pretty quiet.

newgenss · 07-29-2009, 07:36 PM

Im not too worried about passing smog because ill have that "taken" care when it comes to a smogcheck....no plans to leave home either. So Cal is home period.

GM4lyfe · 07-29-2009, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newgenss

Im not too worried about passing smog because ill have that "taken" care when it comes to a smogcheck....no plans to leave home either. So Cal is home period.

Good luck with that, I've heard of folks getting busted with modded GTO's in Cali. Just looking out for a fellow GM owner.

07-28-2009, 11:01 PM	#1
newgenss http://gtoautoglass.com Drives: 2010 Camaro RS SS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Covina, CA Posts: 131	500 + whp? I want to know what will it take to make 500 whp with an NA ( mine is the LS3 of course) cheater bottle don't count either. Bolts on is what I'm talking about. Any info would help?

07-28-2009, 11:04 PM	#2
PolishMike Drives: 2010 2SS RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tracy/San Diego CA Posts: 224	Cam, intake, full exhaust and tune will get you between 450-475rwhp. You might be able to get there with a few more bolt ons but may be tough w/o any sort of FI __________________ IOM w/ White Stripes 2SS RS M6 #17772 Now - Stainless Works 2" Headers, Intake, Cam, tune, ect And shepherds we shall be, For thee my lord for thee. Power has descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy commands. So we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be.In nomine Patri, Et Fili, Spiritus Sancti

07-28-2009, 11:31 PM	#4
pharmd Master of Medicine Drives: 4th Gen Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 784	How "rough" are you willing to live with. 500rwhp NA will require you to use a pretty big cam, which isn't "that" bad in a manual tranny car, but it will be pretty rowdy...if your a young guy, you'll probably be alright, if not, you may want to think about FI. ALOT of guys are seeing well over 500rwhp with a TVS and headers only...certain vendors will even warranty powertrain with this setup. __________________ 2002 Camaro SS. 408 LS2. 500+RWHP/480RWTQ. Full UMI RR suspension. Koni/Strano. 295F/315R. 3500#(55/45)

07-29-2009, 06:56 AM	#8
freelancer Drives: Pontiac GTO Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tinley Park, IL Posts: 9	Heads, Cam, Intake, Long Tubes, and some little bits and pieces and your at 500RWHP easy. But you should also look at a new clutch and make sure you have someone that can tune the crap out of a LS3. If it's a daily driver I would seriously NOT recommend it especially since your in Cali. EPA will eat you alive out there. __________________ Freelancer The past is only the future with the lights on '05 M6 YellowJacket 372hp/377tq 1 of 447 Mods LPE CAI, B&M Short Throw, Harrop diff Cover, King springs, BMR Drag bags Poly Subframe bushings, SW LT's, Resonator delete, SF's Muffler delete axle back,160 t-stat NGK plugs, Taylor wires, Speed Inc DynoTune, 275 40 DR's

07-29-2009, 04:56 PM	#10
toehead93 Drives: 2014 2SS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: wpb fl Posts: 3,135 View My Garage	There are several bolt-on + cam combos pulling 500rwhp on LS3 Vettes and I think I've seen a Camaro already. Heads do not need to be touched to reach 500rwhp, of course the sam is nig and migh not be your idea of streetable. __________________ Used Racing Brake 2 Peice Rotors for sale: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344754 Summit White 2014 2SS 1LE Recaros, NPP exhaust, Nav 2010 2SS A6 - sold.

07-29-2009, 01:28 AM	#5
newgenss http://gtoautoglass.com Drives: 2010 Camaro RS SS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Covina, CA Posts: 131	I'm 26 so the louder the better! I've always liked the fact that the engine by itself can produce the power to the wheels. I'm not too fond of the whine of a supercharger or the worst a turbo which just makes a more annoying ricer sound, JMHO. I figured I would have to get ported at one point to produce that much power. Thanks for the advice guys!

07-29-2009, 01:32 AM	#6
1320junkie Drives: The Imperial Army Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Darkside Posts: 15,742	525 BHP / 465 lbs-ft of torque - CNC ported & polished LS3 L92 cylinder heads - GM 2.165" hollow stem intake / 1.59" solid stem exhaust valves - Three angle valve job, hand blending of valve seats - CC chambers, surface, set spring heights and assembly - Competition Cams valve springs & seals - Competition Cams GT11 hydraulic roller camshaft - Ported & polished throttle body - 160 degree thermostat - ATI 10% underdrive balancer

07-29-2009, 07:36 PM	#13
newgenss http://gtoautoglass.com Drives: 2010 Camaro RS SS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Covina, CA Posts: 131	Im not too worried about passing smog because ill have that "taken" care when it comes to a smogcheck....no plans to leave home either. So Cal is home period.

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