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[2ss/ls3/simtx]

Hi, I am new to the site and I am the proud owner of a SIM/2ss/ blk int (#41534). My Camaro was delivered to the dealer on 16 sept and picked up by my wife on 18 Sept. I have not driven it yet because I am working in Kuwait and my wife won't drive it because she says it's a guys car(haha). My question is this: The Arabic Times reports the 2SS as having 451 hp which mean their version is clearly not governed. Is this a simple computer adjustment the guys in the U.S. can make to have access to the same HP?

[jnewberr2ssrs]

Hmmm interesting...

I don't know? lol

My first reaction would just be to say that the paper is simply wrong or mistaken (it does happen sometimes)...But I'm gonna wait to see what everyone else thinks

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 2ss/ls3/simtx

Hi, I am new to the site and I am the proud owner of a SIM/2ss/ blk int (#41534). My Camaro was delivered to the dealer on 16 sept and picked up by my wife on 18 Sept. I have not driven it yet because I am working in Kuwait and my wife won't drive it because she says it's a guys car(haha). My question is this: The Arabic Times reports the 2SS as having 451 hp which mean their version is clearly not governed. Is this a simple computer adjustment the guys in the U.S. can make to have access to the same HP?

In the U.S., we now report HP as specified by an SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) procedure. The 461 in the Mid East is still the same 426 we get in the U.S. It's just reported under a different procedure.

[jnewberr2ssrs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

In the U.S., we now report HP as specified by an SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) procedure. The 461 in the Mid East is still the same 426 we get in the U.S. It's just reported under a different procedure.

Hmmm...interesting

well there's your answer lol

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Number 3

In the U.S., we now report HP as specified by an SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) procedure. The 461 in the Mid East is still the same 426 we get in the U.S. It's just reported under a different procedure.

Whats the difference? Do they run it without accessories, like the old SAE gross power?

[Camaro_hx]

Originally Posted by 2ss/ls3/simtx

Hi, I am new to the site and I am the proud owner of a SIM/2ss/ blk int (#41534). My Camaro was delivered to the dealer on 16 sept and picked up by my wife on 18 Sept. I have not driven it yet because I am working in Kuwait and my wife won't drive it because she says it's a guys car(haha). My question is this: The Arabic Times reports the 2SS as having 451 hp which mean their version is clearly not governed. Is this a simple computer adjustment the guys in the U.S. can make to have access to the same HP?

Hi mate, its niCe seein' someone from Kuwait as I live there too: ) Ive booked my cyber grey LT/RS in early september and still waitin' for the shipment to arrive in november.

Youre concerned about the hp when im well pissed about the difference in the 4 dial gauges, which i was researching on the v6 camaro RS in US specification (me thinking it'll be the same here in Kuwait), so i booked my camaro and approx. 1 month down the line, i went to the dealer and asked about the 4-dial gauges just to make sure they do come with the v6 RS package.. and you guess it... the salesman tells me NOPE, THEY DONT COME ON THE V6 RS PACKAGE..

[tbyrne]

I hear there are quite a few Camaros in Kuwait now. It's nice to see that cars like this are popular in other parts of the world! Horsepower ratings are sometimes confusing. You have different proceedures to come up with the number and then, vehicle manufacturers base numbers at the flywheel and most aftermarket parts manufacturers base their numbers at the rear wheels.

[SlingShot]

Didn't they start the SAE rating years ago when the insurance companies started charging their rates based on HP ?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

Didn't they start the SAE rating years ago when the insurance companies started charging their rates based on HP ?

There is what they used to do, which was back in the 60's which ran without accessories. Think of it as Gross HP.

Then they standardized and tested with accessories and exhaust, essentially how it is in your car. Thinks of that as Net HP.

Kind of like your pay check. What you start with is Gross and what you are left with after all the taxes is Net.

But there was a lot of "hanky panky" in the Net Numbers in how you set up the test, what engines you used, etc.. As I recall, just a few years ago they went to a true industry standard (driven by GM as I am told, but don't quote me on that). Suddenly all Toyotas and Hondas lost 20 HP on their V6s in one year and that is why.

In the past, different regions had different measurement procedures. At one point (and it still may be true) Japan and Germany had different rating procedures. If you ever saw a Gernman car, it might have said XXX HP DIN, DIN being similar to SAE in the U.S.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by Number 3

There is what they used to do, which was back in the 60's which ran without accessories. Think of it as Gross HP.

Then they standardized and tested with accessories and exhaust, essentially how it is in your car. Thinks of that as Net HP.

Kind of like your pay check. What you start with is Gross and what you are left with after all the taxes is Net.

But there was a lot of "hanky panky" in the Net Numbers in how you set up the test, what engines you used, etc.. As I recall, just a few years ago they went to a true industry standard (driven by GM as I am told, but don't quote me on that). Suddenly all Toyotas and Hondas lost 20 HP on their V6s in one year and that is why.

In the past, different regions had different measurement procedures. At one point (and it still may be true) Japan and Germany had different rating procedures. If you ever saw a Gernman car, it might have said XXX HP DIN, DIN being similar to SAE in the U.S.

Thanks for the refresher.... Being a product of the 60's I remember Gross HP and being asked those questions when getting insurance. I also remember there being something about the weight of the car as well....Don't know if that was just a Michigan thing or not... Man my memory is fading fast in my old age... LOL...

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Number 3

There is what they used to do, which was back in the 60's which ran without accessories. Think of it as Gross HP.

Then they standardized and tested with accessories and exhaust, essentially how it is in your car. Thinks of that as Net HP.

Kind of like your pay check. What you start with is Gross and what you are left with after all the taxes is Net.

But there was a lot of "hanky panky" in the Net Numbers in how you set up the test, what engines you used, etc.. As I recall, just a few years ago they went to a true industry standard (driven by GM as I am told, but don't quote me on that). Suddenly all Toyotas and Hondas lost 20 HP on their V6s in one year and that is why.

In the past, different regions had different measurement procedures. At one point (and it still may be true) Japan and Germany had different rating procedures. If you ever saw a Gernman car, it might have said XXX HP DIN, DIN being similar to SAE in the U.S.

If GM didn't spearhead the new testing procedure they were surely the first to use it (LS7). As for Germany, don't they still rate their engines in PS instead of HP? I think that makes for a 2% difference on its own.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

If GM didn't spearhead the new testing procedure they were surely the first to use it (LS7). As for Germany, don't they still rate their engines in PS instead of HP? I think that makes for a 2% difference on its own.

Sir you are correct.

PS - Pferdestärke translates to horse strength

1 PS = 75 kilopond-meters per second

[fireresq157]

Different measurement / formula.

[jnewberr2ssrs]

Originally Posted by Camaro_h

Hi mate, its niCe seein' someone from Kuwait as I live there too: ) Ive booked my cyber grey LT/RS in early september and still waitin' for the shipment to arrive in november.

Youre concerned about the hp when im well pissed about the difference in the 4 dial gauges, which i was researching on the v6 camaro RS in US specification (me thinking it'll be the same here in Kuwait), so i booked my camaro and approx. 1 month down the line, i went to the dealer and asked about the 4-dial gauges just to make sure they do come with the v6 RS package.. and you guess it... the salesman tells me NOPE, THEY DONT COME ON THE V6 RS PACKAGE..

Do you mean the 4 pack gauges by the shifter? They should come on the 2 models (2LT and 2SS) - not necessarily RS...RS only includes halo, body color roof moldings, smoke tail lights, and 20 inch midnight smoke wheels

Is yours a 2LT model?