Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[Jerseyrican88]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I just want to point out that there is no 2009 Camaro.

i think he meant that its a 2010 model that came out in 2009

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

It had a good deal less hp than the GTO, yes. And the GTO was a good .5 second faster in the 1/4 mile. Good example.

But the other two cars you mentioned don't make the Stang look underpowered. It's actually neck-and-neck with the Charger in the 1/4 despite the hp difference, and the 350z is a bad example. It had LESS hp and torque than the Stang until 2007, and even then the Stang still has a good bit more torque. And the Stang weighs less too! So I don't see how a heavier car with less hp and torque can make the Mustang look "underpowered".

This isn't about numbers, this is about MARKETING.


You think FoMoCo cares about ANYTHING but selling cars?


Let me try this again. All of those cars came out 2003-2005. All of those cars (when they came out ) had more hp than the Mustang. All of them. Including the 350z which came out in 2003. What you should have said was that the Mustang only had 5 more hp than the 350z for two years, before the 350z again bumped it up to 305hp... higher than the GT ... Again...


Ford bumped the power to compete. The end.



WOOOOAAAHHH hold on. Edit for Fail. You think the Mustang GT weighs LESS than the 350z? LMAO....

Originally Posted by meanmike

You cant hardly call it cometition when all of those car's combined may have equalled to half of the Mustang's sale's. And then if you want to go that rought then there was in fact the GT500 and it can be used in this case if your going to compare the Stang to the more exspensive car's GTO/350 and at that probably the charger as well.

I never called anything cometition.

Ford guys love that stat, ''Mustangs sell 200k a year'' well I got news for your, they dont sell 200k GT's a year, the major bulk of that were V6's.



The reason they are competition is because of the price range. (Again. another concept which eludes Ford fanboys) The charger R/T, 350z, Mustang GT, and GTO were all relatively in the same price range...

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Zeus

This isn't about numbers, this is about MARKETING.


You think FoMoCo cares about ANYTHING but selling cars?


Let me try this again. All of those cars came out 2003-2005. All of those cars (when they came out ) had more hp than the Mustang. All of them. Including the 350z which came out in 2003. What you should have said was that the Mustang only had 5 more hp than the 350z for two years, before the 350z again bumped it up to 305hp... higher than the GT ... Again...


Ford bumped the power to compete. The end.





I never called anything cometition.

Ford guys love that stat, ''Mustangs sell 200k a year'' well I got news for your, they dont sell 200k GT's a year, the major bulk of that were V6's.



The reason they are competition is because of the price range. (Again. another concept which eludes Ford fanboys) The charger R/T, 350z, Mustang GT, and GTO were all relatively in the same price range...

Mustangs are a dime a dozen. My college parking lot has like 6 mustangs, with only 1 of them being GTs.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I just want to point out that there is no 2009 Camaro.

The 2010 Camaro came out in 2009, hence the 2009/10 remark. Thanks for trying to clarify though.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

It had a good deal less hp than the GTO, yes. And the GTO was a good .5 second faster in the 1/4 mile. Good example.

But the other two cars you mentioned don't make the Stang look underpowered. It's actually neck-and-neck with the Charger in the 1/4 despite the hp difference, and the 350z is a bad example. It had LESS hp and torque than the Stang until 2007, and even then the Stang still has a good bit more torque. And the Stang weighs less too! So I don't see how a heavier car with less hp and torque can make the Mustang look "underpowered".

I agree with you on this. exactly everything you said.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by meanmike

You cant hardly call it cometition when all of those car's combined may have equalled to half of the Mustang's sale's. And then if you want to go that rought then there was in fact the GT500 and it can be used in this case if your going to compare the Stang to the more exspensive car's GTO/350 and at that probably the charger as well.

Quick question, why do you think the GTO was so expensive. It was less then the current Camaro. I got mine brand new off the lot for 30 grand in 2005. Because if you want to include the dealer mark-ups then we all know the mustang in 05 suffered the same fate as all other new muscle cars hitting the market. The GTO retailed for 33k. A mustang GT premium in 05 was 31k, I know because I looked at getting one.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Quick question, why do you think the GTO was so expensive. It was less then the current Camaro. I got mine brand new off the lot for 30 grand in 2005. Because if you want to include the dealer mark-ups then we all know the mustang in 05 suffered the same fate as all other new muscle cars hitting the market. The GTO retailed for 33k. A mustang GT premium in 05 was 31k, I know because I looked at getting one.

If he has a logical argument for this imma

[ssump29]

As a side note and off-topic, do you know that the salesman don't make any money off these new camaros. My salesman told me the off of my 38k plus 2SS he only made 175 dollars. Talk about being screwed, you sale a 40 grand car and only get 175 dollars for it. No wonder why they want to mark them up, so they can make so damn money.

Damn owners of this dealerships are just straight cheap. ok sorry just thought I would share that info.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Mustangs are a dime a dozen. My college parking lot has like 6 mustangs, with only 1 of them being GTs.

One of the reasons Ford didn't need a bailout to survive.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by Zeus

I never called anything cometition.

Ford guys love that stat, ''Mustangs sell 200k a year'' well I got news for your, they dont sell 200k GT's a year, the major bulk of that were V6's.



The reason they are competition is because of the price range. (Again. another concept which eludes Ford fanboys) The charger R/T, 350z, Mustang GT, and GTO were all relatively in the same price range...

You did'nt huh? So wich is it, either it is or it is'nt? This is'nt Burger King you cant have it your way.

So what if a big majority of those are v6's, I guarantee they still sold more v8's than the GTO and Charger combined.

Yes the Mustang had COMPETITION which all made the GT look underpowered.. (GTO, Charger R/T, 350z)

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Quick question, why do you think the GTO was so expensive. It was less then the current Camaro. I got mine brand new off the lot for 30 grand in 2005. Because if you want to include the dealer mark-ups then we all know the mustang in 05 suffered the same fate as all other new muscle cars hitting the market. The GTO retailed for 33k. A mustang GT premium in 05 was 31k, I know because I looked at getting one.

And maybe I was wrong about the price, but in Ford's eye's it was'nt worth it to make any major changes just because of a low volume car.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by meanmike

You did'nt huh? So wich is it, either it is or it is'nt? This is'nt Burger King you cant have it your way.

So what if a big majority of those are v6's, I guarantee they still sold more v8's than the GTO and Charger combined.

I said it was competition... not cometition... sorry that went over your head.


You guarantee it? Can I see your sources?

[REEFBLUE93]

Just from the casual observer's standpoint, I have seen several new Camaros. Of all of them but 1 were V6 Camaros. Give it about another year and I bet you the Camaro, primarily because of the V6 models, will be all over the place too. People , especially the non Chevy and non Ford guys, seem to lose sight of the fact that these cars are production. The word "limited" was never intended to be used with any of them. The current state of our economy is to blame for such low production numbers. I guess that in and of itself makes them rare because people aren't really buying new cars right now so the manufacturers are slowing down production.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by meanmike

And maybe I was wrong about the price, but in Ford's eye's it was'nt worth it to make any major changes just because of a low volume car.

And how you know what was in FORD's eyes? Really, you don't think they didn't see this as a sign to move past a V8 that only puts out 260hp, hell the 02 SS were putting down 325hp back in 02? If you think the GTO and chargers coming out with more hp didn't help them to plan to up the game then you are sadly mistaken. Also the Camaro was already rumored to be making a come back sooner or later even as far back as 2005. Thats why I got my GTO then, so I could have it paid for right in time for the release of the Camaro and what do you know thats exactly what happened.

Guess it helps to have a stepfather ranked high in GM's operations division, because he was the one who told me that the camaro was being talked about then.