Camaro 2SSRS VS Challenger RT (time sensitive)

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

330 at the wheels is roughly 37x at the crank. The car is not under rated, if going by 12% drivetrain loss.

I guess you could use 15% drivetrain loss and take the cream of the crop dyno of your choice to sway the numbers in favor of the RT. But in reality this is just wishful thinking. LS3 cars have dynoed anywhere from the 350's up into the 390's. Do I think they are under rated....nope.

Any major differences one way or another is just a variance in the dyno or the weather on the given day. With the SAE certifiaction process and build tolerances used today one car shouldnt vary from another more than about 5-10hp.

how do you explain an SRT and RT challenger on the same dyno on the same day with the SRT pulling 25 more hp at the wheels?

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by wbt

I would gladly race any Challenger R/T stock for stock with my wife's 2010 Mustang GT and win every time. Line up against my SS and it will be even worse.

Post what the corrected altitude was for those low 13 sec. runs along with tailwind.

Back OT...I looked at the Challengers when I was ready to get a new ride and move on from the Caliber SRT4. The Camaro was hands down the winner in performance and the ride is very good. This is a $30K plus decision you don't want to mess up. There is a reason the Camaro is the #1 pony car in sales. Almost 4:1 when compared to the Challenger.

i'm not disputing the fact that the camaro SS2 is faster than the R/T, you win there buddy, no denying that. what i am disputing is that most guys, such as yourself, that get cocky and think the R/T is such an easy kill because the magazines say so. the L99 camaro, R/T, and 2010 GT are all neck and neck, which means those cars come down to the driver which determines who wins, not a printed article. get to the track enough times and you will understand.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

i'm not disputing the fact that the camaro SS2 is faster than the R/T, you win there buddy, no denying that. what i am disputing is that most guys, such as yourself, think the R/T is such an easy kill because the magazines say so. the L99 camaro, R/T, and 2010 GT are all neck and neck, which means those cars come down to the driver which determines who wins, not a printed article. get to the track enough times and you will understand.

I agree that the track settles all, and the driver is the most important mod.
However, stock L99's have broken 12's. You can be sure that an R/T has never gone 12's stock. So, in a race can a R/T beat a Camaro? You bet it could, but when you look at potential in stock trim, the Camaro walks it very easily.

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

I agree that the track settles all, and the driver is the most important mod.
However, stock L99's have broken 12's. You can be sure that an R/T has never gone 12's stock. So, in a race can a R/T beat a Camaro? You bet it could, but when you look at potential in stock trim, the Camaro walks it very easily.

i agree with you all the way. i've used this silly example before, but if you put two exact driving robots in each car the camaro will win. add the human factor, and the cars are practically equal. we're splittin' hairs now!

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

i agree with you all the way. i've used this silly example before, but if you put two exact driving robots in each car the camaro will win. add the human factor, and the cars are practically equal. we're splittin' hairs now!

Yep. Who cares Challengers and Camaros look HOT!!!

[coolman]

I love drag racing ,but I could really care less what is a little faster than the other when it comes to these cars. Unless drag racing is what you intend to do don't let on these numbers being thrown around make your mind up. These are highway cars meant to be driven on the highway. Buy the one that feels the best to you. I love the challengers looks and they ride very well. My problem was I just came out of a 300c ,and it had the same feel. I just wanted more of a sports car feel. These numbers being thrown around are useless in the real world.

Ps someone ask for a chime in by a GT500 owner well there you go.

[pleigh]

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by coolman

I love drag racing ,but I could really care less what is a little faster than the other when it comes to these cars. Unless drag racing is what you intend to do don't let on these numbers being thrown around make your mind up. These are highway cars meant to be driven on the highway. Buy the one that feels the best to you. I love the challengers looks and they ride very well. My problem was I just came out of a 300c ,and it had the same feel. I just wanted more of a sports car feel. These numbers being thrown around are useless in the real world.

Ps someone ask for a chime in by a GT500 owner well there you go.

coolman is right. i only wanted to correct the misinformation that was being fed on the R/T and lost sight of what the original poster was really looking for. when i say "real world" in my previous posts, i meant at the track or on a closed road, which of course really mean nothing in normal driving. that is only really decided by driving each one and choosing what fits you best.

so to the OP, let us know what you ended up buying. either way you will be happy!

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by coolman

I These numbers being thrown around are useless in the real world.

, but boy they make for some good internet pissing matches.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

how do you explain an SRT and RT challenger on the same dyno on the same day with the SRT pulling 25 more hp at the wheels?

Maybe one car was running hotter. Maybe one car wasnt taken care of (dirty air or fuel filter etc) Maybe one car has more miles and is broke in better...then again maybe its the pixie dust. Plenty of possibilities for differences in the same day dyno.

Just for the fun of it can you show me 2 bone stock confirmed cars with with the same transmission with very similar mileage on the same dyno on the same day with a 25rwhp difference? And also proof that one of the cars is not running incorrectly and pulling excessive amounts of timing etc? Both of them have the same correction factor as well after the dyno.

Ill be waiting...if you miss any of my requests I wont consider it. So research well.

It is also funny how everyone brings up the driver difference and assumes it will be in their favor.(especially the guys in the slower car)

What if you challenger guys cant out drive the camaro guy like you assume? how bad is it going to be then?...just some food for thought. I guess we can assume in that case that the difference between the two cars is even greater. Losing by well over a second in the quarter and getting left 15 cars behind sound like fun?

A lazy driver in an SS would give an R/T with a professional driver a hell of a run. Just watch the hennessy test video of the camaro. Soft launch, short shifting (6k) and granny shifting. Car ran a 13.6 at 108.

[HotInferno]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

On average, the Dodge Challenger R/T is a high 13- low 14 sec car.

I was at the track two weeks ago (-200 ft DA) with excellent track conditions. The best a guy could do all day in his Dodge Challenger R/T was
13.8s - 13.9s. That's with absolutely no wheel spin leaving the line.

GM High Tech tested a Dodge Challenger R/T in 72 degree air and it couldn't do any better than 14.17 in the 1/4 mile. That same day the Camaro SS was running 13.09 in the 1/4 mile.

I know the OP is asking about the R/T, you are comparing your 425 horse car and #'s to the less powered R/T. You should be comparing apples to apples if power is the question and that would be the SRT.
We just traded a Grand Cherokee SRT8 for our Aqua Blue sweetheart.
That Cherokee pulled low and mid 12's at an all Chevy show in Louisiana blowing away 3 SS Tahoes. By the way the GCSRT was bone stock, all wheel drive bad ass. 425 Horses
I guess it would be like comparing that Challenger R/T to our 300 horse six in the Camaro.
Just my .02 since I actually owned an SRT

[ULTRAZLS1]

They are equally priced cars. The srt-8 is over 40k starting. Why wouldnt you compare them?

Whats really sad is that the SS will out run the SRT-8 challenger on average in the 1/4 with a much lower price. I am guessing this is part of the reason they wont sell. They are not a bad looking car thats for sure. But the price and performance isnt even close to where it needs to be on either the R/T or the srt-8.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

They are equally priced cars. The srt-8 is over 40k starting. Why wouldnt you compare them?

Whats really sad is that the SS will out run the SRT-8 challenger on average in the 1/4 with a much lower price. I am guessing this is part of the reason they wont sell. They are not a bad looking car thats for sure. But the price and performance isn't even close to where it needs to be on either the R/T or the srt-8.

Bingo!

SRT8 is in the same price category as a GT500, not a Camaro SS or Mustang GT. The Challenger R/T is in the same price category as the SS and GT. That is why the comparison lands where it does.

Talking SRT8's warrants discussing the GT500 but that horse has already beaten the SRT8 to death.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Wow I was just checking the dodge site. They start at almost 44k. Only option I added was the 6 speed manual (it is more expensive to go with the manual for some odd reason) brought it over 44k. With tax, title and plates you are real close to 48k. WOW. Take 2k off for some incentives and you got 46k ( I got almost this much off of my car...trying to be fair)

I got my car for 32700 OTD. 2ss would have been 2500 more (I added a 500 BA sound system which is standars on 2ss) 32-33k 1SS vs 35-36k 2SS vs 45-46k srt-8.

Yeah I think it would be much more likely for people cross shopping to look at the R/T when considering a camaro. Most people wouldnt even consider comparing cars with a 10k price difference.