ok, need some advice on how to talk to this dealer....

[kbui]

If your father works/worked for GM, you can go to www.gmfamilyfirst.com and setup an account. You can log in and get the prices on your GM vehicles. You should be able to get the exact MSRP, Invoice as well and GMS prices. Get a GMS number and take it to the dealer and tell them you would buy the vehicle at GMS price and no more. I have been doing this for 20 years for all of my GM vehicles. The latest was 2010 ABM 2SS/RS A6 last October. I saved about $2500 over MSRP back then. Most dealers would honor GMS by now.


KB

[haleyd]

Originally Posted by 2010SSRSM6

I knew that GM screwed up the GM Pricing but didn't think it was that bad.

There have been a couple of price hikes that Edmunds hasn't accounted for yet.

yeah the discount on this car is only $972. i remember when it used to be 18-20% of the MSRP. those were the good old days LOL!

Originally Posted by Shuffler

GM also has $1000 off on their website for any camaro.

this is only for pontiac and saturn owners... which i am luckily!

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

Haley... if your dad gets GM price, take it and run! The current is somewhere in between the old GMS (employee) and friends and family discount. Keep in mind the GMS was only for EMPLOYEES and immediate family of. My MSRP was $36615 and I paid $33,500 with GMS.

i will... i just built the car on the employee website and it was about $400 less than what they told me without it.

Originally Posted by RogueSS

They have $1,000 off for current Pontiac and Saturn owners (through March 31st), but that's all I've seen or can find on their website as of now.

and i DO own and plan to trade my pontiac! yay!

Originally Posted by CloudXTC

my advice: as everyone has said, check the stick to see if anything has been added.

since its a 1LT, could have the BA stereo added like i did, could have stripes, could have C&C package added to make the price a little higher than it is... even polished rims can cost more, some dealers even order the additional mats and crap for the car...

anyways, check that out, if the sticker is showing 28k on it, then something must have been added to the car especially if a car like that build is going for regular 27k...
**cant remember is ABM was a premium paint which cost more

since this color is not being built anymore, could be that's why the cost is added.

However, start with the sticker, print out one from the chevy website since i believe the pain option is still on there and take it to the dealer to compare with the one they have.

goodluck

thanks! i just built it on the employee website and the total with the discount is $28123. is it okay to ask to see their invoice though? because i've been told that there is no reason why someone can't get a car at dealer invoice price since they still make the 3% holdback off the car! was i misinformed???

also, i found the window sticker on their website so i printed that off and i'm comparing it to what i found on edmunds. there is a major difference... this car has 20" alum polished wheels and that's $470. i didn't realize it had that so i didn't select that otion on edmunds.

Originally Posted by roccky08

Also price it at the GM Employees website and you will see exactly how much you will pay. Print it out and take it to the dealer

i did just that! and i plan to take it with me tonight!

[haleyd]

Originally Posted by RogueSS

haleyd: With that MSRP, the $28,500 is a good price.

No reason to build one, that's the MSRP from Chevy, building one won't give you any different result.

The sunroof would be another $900 on top of that if you ordered one (Of course you can't get ABM paint)

At any rate, at $28,500 you're not being ripped off IMO

i definitely don't feel like i'm being ripped off. i just have been told by a lot of people recently that i shouldn't pay over the dealer invoice price because they are STILL making money on it. that's why i'm asking all of you... you guys would know better than i would that's for sure!!

[Thrillz]

I can tell from your post that you really want the sunroof. Get what you want dont settle for anything less. Your in the US you have soo many more options for you then us Canadians. Also if you can swing it check out the 2LT it really is nice from the stereo,USB port leather interior and the guage's totally worth it. If you have to drive 1000 miles to get one do it without thinking twice about it when your ready. Good luck

[IROCanSS]

haley... I remember you from a while back... dealing with trying to sell the GP. I am glad you are finally getting (hopefully) your Camaro and ABM is very nice! I hope it all works out and you are crusing soon!

Don't settle for less than the discount price, and I agree, sometimes you can do better. Just make sure when you leave you are comfortable with YOUR deal. There is always going to be someone who got a better deal, and someone who got shafted... As long as you are happy, thats what matters!

Keep us posted on the purchase! and of course, we expect pics of the new ABM LT/RS!

[RogueSS]

Originally Posted by haleyd

i definitely don't feel like i'm being ripped off. i just have been told by a lot of people recently that i shouldn't pay over the dealer invoice price because they are STILL making money on it. that's why i'm asking all of you... you guys would know better than i would that's for sure!!

I would disagree with those who say you shouldn't pay over invoice. The difference between invoice and MSRP on a Camaro is less than $1,000 (When I built my car they just let me watch stuff go into the system, so I saw invoice)

Personally, a car dealership is a business, they deserve to make money off the car. I don't like the dealerships that gouge people, but in the case of a car like the Camaro, I have no problem paying over invoice and at or less than MSRP.

What you decide to do is up to you ultimately

[PQ]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

haley... I remember you from a while back... dealing with trying to sell the GP. I am glad you are finally getting (hopefully) your Camaro and ABM is very nice! I hope it all works out and you are crusing soon!

Don't settle for less than the discount price, and I agree, sometimes you can do better. Just make sure when you leave you are comfortable with YOUR deal. There is always going to be someone who got a better deal, and someone who got shafted... As long as you are happy, thats what matters!

Keep us posted on the purchase! and of course, we expect pics of the new ABM LT/RS!

FTW!!!!!!!

It always made me laugh when someone would say it's not worth it. WHATEVER!!!!!!! If it's worth it to ME, then it's worth it.

Just be happy with your purchase.

[haleyd]

Originally Posted by PQ

I think there are different situations where sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't, and sometimes it's a different amount.

But I'm not in the know, as far as that stuff goes.

it's 3%, and it doesn't waver from sale to sale or anything like that. it's standard across the board... for just about every american vehicle infact!

Originally Posted by kbui

If your father works/worked for GM, you can go to www.gmfamilyfirst.com and setup an account. You can log in and get the prices on your GM vehicles. You should be able to get the exact MSRP, Invoice as well and GMS prices. Get a GMS number and take it to the dealer and tell them you would buy the vehicle at GMS price and no more. I have been doing this for 20 years for all of my GM vehicles. The latest was 2010 ABM 2SS/RS A6 last October. I saved about $2500 over MSRP back then. Most dealers would honor GMS by now.


KB

yep, already did that. i use that website ALL the time. just priced it and printed it out!

Originally Posted by Thrillz

I can tell from your post that you really want the sunroof. Get what you want dont settle for anything less. Your in the US you have soo many more options for you then us Canadians. Also if you can swing it check out the 2LT it really is nice from the stereo,USB port leather interior and the guage's totally worth it. If you have to drive 1000 miles to get one do it without thinking twice about it when your ready. Good luck

ugh, you're so right. i REALLY want a sunroof. i left for lunch and opened mine today... and i thought "wouldn't i be sad if i couldn't do this?" and yes, i would. the 2LT is what i really want... i want leather and a sunroof, and i forgot about the 4 pack gauges... geesh. now you have me thinking i should wait. but i don't ever see me finding the 2LT that i want for this price with RS package and everything.

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

haley... I remember you from a while back... dealing with trying to sell the GP. I am glad you are finally getting (hopefully) your Camaro and ABM is very nice! I hope it all works out and you are crusing soon!

Don't settle for less than the discount price, and I agree, sometimes you can do better. Just make sure when you leave you are comfortable with YOUR deal. There is always going to be someone who got a better deal, and someone who got shafted... As long as you are happy, thats what matters!

Keep us posted on the purchase! and of course, we expect pics of the new ABM LT/RS!

thanks, i hope so too! i'm not sure if it will now that i just thought about how much i want a sunroof though LOL! if this one had one it would be SOLD! but it doesn't so now i'm starting to think twice....

[thedonkeyslayer]

Man - you need to make up your mind!

I'm not well versed on the LT trims, but even $28,500 seems high to me.

I know you could get that 2LT I found for you in MA for $30k...and that had leather and a sunroof...

[roccky08]

Originally Posted by haleyd

thanks, i hope so too! i'm not sure if it will now that i just thought about how much i want a sunroof though LOL! if this one had one it would be SOLD! but it doesn't so now i'm starting to think twice....

I think you are doing the right thing. Just keep looking, eventually you will find one just the way you want it

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by haleyd

it's 3%, and it doesn't waver from sale to sale or anything like that. it's standard across the board... for just about every american vehicle infact!

ugh, you're so right. i REALLY want a sunroof. i left for lunch and opened mine today... and i thought "wouldn't i be sad if i couldn't do this?" and yes, i would. the 2LT is what i really want... i want leather and a sunroof, and i forgot about the 4 pack gauges... geesh. now you have me thinking i should wait. but i don't ever see me finding the 2LT that i want for this price with RS package and everything.

The holdback is standard, correct. They get it to insure the car on the lot for 30 days. They get the same amount 3%, if it sits for 1 minute (like my Camaro did) or 1 year (like or Tahoe did).


2LT... the leather is AWESOME! I love it. I dont have a sunroof as I dont fit with one. I wanted it but you learn to live without, plus my head hit. I am not sure you could get a 2LT/RS/auto/sunroof for this price anywhere.... can you afford a few thousand more? If you can, and are not sold on a color, keep looking, there are tons out there!

[thedonkeyslayer]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

I am not sure you could get a 2LT/RS/auto/sunroof for this price anywhere.... can you afford a few thousand more?

Covered this in her other thread - there are not many of these still on lots in ABM...

Only one found in MA was $31k, I think if she offered high $29's they would except.

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by thedonkeyslayer

Covered this in her other thread - there are not many of these still on lots in ABM...

Only one found in MA was $31k, I think if she offered high $29's they would except.

Thats a GREAT price... is she set on ABM? I think my dealer has 2 - 1SS auto ABMs

[thedonkeyslayer]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

Thats a GREAT price... is she set on ABM?

Yeah - only color she wants