THE FIRST PRODUCTION WHIPPLE INSTALL STARTED

[franknbeans]

very cool man. . . . this is the kit I'll be getting for sure!

[Hendrix-Engineering]

Glad Tim got you squared away.Since you asked i would not spend any money on gears,i had the six speed record with 3.31s and we still have the record now with 3.31s,let that mother pull like a diesel.I would not leave that shop without axles,all that tq will live you stranded on stock axles. Enjoy it and be safe.

[Stovall-SS]

Hey I just noticed what whipple is claiming and wanted to share. Didnt know if anyone has checked this out or not.

http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/...sp?ProdID=1243

Either way great build! Whipple has made some great products in the years. When I was growing up my dad had a twin whipple on his 28' Comander boat. It was pulling over 800HP, the boat was almost to fast.

Im still debating on weather I should go with Twin Turbos, or go ahead and throw down on a whipple.

I know this may be a stupid question, but for someone who dosent know "ME" If I had an LSX 427 would this whipple fit?

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

Congrats for the wait. Well worth it!
On the Cooling Mist system, just be aware that is not a good idea to spray water or methanol into the blower. It will begin to eat up the coating on the rotors. Check with Whipple to see if t hey other alternatives that is past of the rotors.

Secondly, since you already have the blower and you're getting enough low end TQ, the 3.73s will just make you spin more in the low gear. Leave that alone and stay with a good gas millage you get with stock gears.
I'd spend the money on a good clutch and axles. Just my two cents!

Good luck!

+1. I would not do gears but would seriously consider axles and a strong clutch. I dont know about the methanol but everything else on your list looks good. Maybe consider wider wheels and a 315/35r20 sticky rear tire.

[SonnyakaPig]

Originally Posted by tandtperformance

i dont know what you mean

we have time and time again dynoed the same car on 2 to 3 diff dyno's and we came up around 30 to 35 hp less than the others so we think our dyno is off a little bit

i will be running it on one of the other dyno's in the am and will post their numbers and you will see what i am talking about

Did you baseline the car on your dyno? If so, does the 342 rwhp (baseline number) need to be increased by the 30-35 hp number that your dyno is off? I'm only asking because I'm interested in the increase from stock baseline numbers.

I know you already mentioned the increase in an earlier post but I wasn't sure if you had already touched on the question that I raised above.

Great install! The blower looks real nice.

[SonnyakaPig]

John, Congrats! This looks great. I bet it pulls like crazy.

[robertway]

Originally Posted by usmcjlp

I will say this, that unless you let the motor breath, I don't think you will get the most out of the whipple. It's a big blower and makes a lot of boost.

Not too worried about breathing, I already have a Roto-Fab under the hood an some Kooks LTs. Once that breathing is introduced to your car I am assuming you're going to have to change the pulley to get the boost back up to where it is now, correct me if I am wrong here.

What I am definitely interested in is what the LS9 cam will add to the build. I have been considering that for a while given it maintains the same idle quality as stock and doesn't require any valvetrain upgrades from what I have read.

I know the incremental parts install/tune/dyno results process is a burden given the time restraints shops and customers are under but the information derived from such exercise is invaluable to the community.

I am also interested to see how Whipple responds to the Meth Injection risks, my understanding is when injected it is vaporized almost instantaneously so as it passes by the rotors as a gas it does nothing to impact them over time. Either way I think Whipple may, as any other manufacturer would, cover themselves with the "this was processed on machinery that may even hear the word peanuts once a decade" type disclaimer b ut I would give them the benefit of my doubt and let them state their position. I would have to guess that like the other manufacturers you just wouldn't qualify for whatever warranty you would have on an otherwise totally stock car.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by Stovall-SS

Hey I just noticed what whipple is claiming and wanted to share. Didnt know if anyone has checked this out or not.

http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/...sp?ProdID=1243

Either way great build! Whipple has made some great products in the years. When I was growing up my dad had a twin whipple on his 28' Comander boat. It was pulling over 800HP, the boat was almost to fast.

Im still debating on weather I should go with Twin Turbos, or go ahead and throw down on a whipple.

I know this may be a stupid question, but for someone who dosent know "ME" If I had an LSX 427 would this whipple fit?

I really don't like forum dyno racing, because it can be misleading. Whipple has a great product and we don't want to pass bad info. Whipple on their website claims 538 rwhp 510 rw torque on a dynojet. We used a superflo inertial loaded dyno, because frankly it has the most professional and best tuner in the area. We feel that our numbers (516 rwhp, 478 rwtq)once compensated for the superflo exceed whipple's claim. We were on the phone with whipple during the tune, there was a lot tuning we could have done to get more but decided to stop there. Namely, because I the customer, was happy there.

Realize that Tim, as a service to this forum is paying for the extra dyno time. I believe he may take it to a dynojet in the area just to prove the difference. For those of you unfamiliar with dynos, there can be a lot of variation. There is a compensation factor used for environmentals that if changed will skew results. As many members have stated it is not an absolute scale, it is more of a reference factor in determining increase from a starting point.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by SonnyakaPig

Did you baseline the car on your dyno? If so, does the 342 rwhp (baseline number) need to be increased by the 30-35 hp number that your dyno is off? I'm only asking because I'm interested in the increase from stock baseline numbers.

I know you already mentioned the increase in an earlier post but I wasn't sure if you had already touched on the question that I raised above.

Great install! The blower looks real nice.

Sonny, good to hear from you. To answer your question, the car dynoed at that amount so subtract from our dyno numbers to get the difference.

516 rwhp-342rwhp = 174rwhp

Now if only speedster, midgard and the rest of the crew would chime in.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

Congrats for the wait. Well worth it!
On the Cooling Mist system, just be aware that is not a good idea to spray water or methanol into the blower. It will begin to eat up the coating on the rotors. Check with Whipple to see if t hey other alternatives that is past of the rotors.

Secondly, since you already have the blower and you're getting enough low end TQ, the 3.73s will just make you spin more in the low gear. Leave that alone and stay with a good gas millage you get with stock gears.
I'd spend the money on a good clutch and axles. Just my two cents!

Good luck!

To answer your question, Mike at whipple, who has been providing our support throughout the install has informed us that the Whipple uses no coating on their rotors and there is no issue with methanol injection. It will not corrode or pit the rotors in any way. So spray away! Remember this kit is designed for high boost applications as well. It is capable of up to 30 psi. Which is one of the main reasons I bought it. In a year or two when I have the funds Tim will be building a forged motor for me.

[usmcjlp]

If anyone else has specific questions that they don't see answered here post them and I will answer when I have a chance. I want to make sure anyone who is considering this learns as much as possible from my build. I know I researched a long time before making my decision.

[Codefive]

Lets try to clear this dyno thing up once and for all ...

The dyno in question is a SuperFlow 840 twin eddy current. It is an older unit (probably 15 years old now +/-) It is serial number 109. We have done multiple comparisons with Ted Jannetty's TWIN dyno. His is serial number 111 I believe, so these two are not only identical models but were made at similar times as well.

Teddy & I have baselined countless 2010 Camaros and shared data. There seems to be an approximate 10% difference between the two units. Tim has also taken several cars tuned here to another local dyno for comparison, and reults show about 11.5% difference to that one. This data has been sent to SuperFlow and they continue to review and try to find out why there is a difference but to date, no answers. In the mean time, the unit remains constent and repetable. The dyno does not read 30-35 HP different on everything. It is a percentage. This has been verified by dynoing cars here and going to other dynos for comparison. Its unfortunate but ... it is what it is.

Bone stock AT 2010 Camaros have read 302-306 RWHP on this unit. Bone stock stick cars read about 340-345 RWHP. Again, we have had dozens of these cars across the wheel so I think we can rest assured on what the baselines are.

I hope this clears the issue up for everyone.

[midgard]

The best you can do is take the difference (or gain) right now. Looks good to me.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by Codefive

Lets try to clear this dyno thing up once and for all ...

The dyno in question is a SuperFlow 840 twin eddy current. It is an older unit (probably 15 years old now +/-) It is serial number 109. We have done multiple comparisons with Ted Jannetty's TWIN dyno. His is serial number 111 I believe, so these two are not only identical models but were made at similar times as well.

Teddy & I have baselined countless 2010 Camaros and shared data. There seems to be an approximate 10% difference between the two units. Tim has also taken several cars tuned here to another local dyno for comparison, and reults show about 11.5% difference to that one. This data has been sent to SuperFlow and they continue to review and try to find out why there is a difference but to date, no answers. In the mean time, the unit remains constent and repetable. The dyno does not read 30-35 HP different on everything. It is a percentage. This has been verified by dynoing cars here and going to other dynos for comparison. Its unfortunate but ... it is what it is.

Bone stock AT 2010 Camaros have read 302-306 RWHP on this unit. Bone stock stick cars read about 340-345 RWHP. Again, we have had dozens of these cars across the wheel so I think we can rest assured on what the baselines are.

I hope this clears the issue up for everyone.

George, Thank you for clarifying. Midgard I can't wait to see the numbers from your build.