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Old 11-10-2010, 09:56 AM   #43
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While I may end up with these at some point (when I am bored stiff and have nothing else to do) I don't see what the prob is with the stock buttons. I run twisties all day long and have no problem using them.

People, with your hands at 9 and 3 on the wheel you can turn it 180 deg to each side without having to let go and can still hit the buttons! Seriously, if you are paying attention to what the hell you are doing when driving in this manner I see no need for these. But then again, the talent has to be there too...

These are cool tho and would allow for the "casual" approach to shifting if desired.
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:07 AM   #44
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Still attached to steering wheel...
My thoughts EXACTLY.
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:05 PM   #45
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While I may end up with these at some point (when I am bored stiff and have nothing else to do) I don't see what the prob is with the stock buttons. I run twisties all day long and have no problem using them.

People, with your hands at 9 and 3 on the wheel you can turn it 180 deg to each side without having to let go and can still hit the buttons Seriously, if you are paying attention to what the hell you are doing when driving in this manner I see no need for these. But then again, the talent has to be there too...

These are cool tho and would allow for the "casual" approach to shifting if desired.
People, with your hands at 9 and 3 on the wheel you can turn it 180 deg to each side without having to let go and can still hit the buttons.

NOT UNLESS YOU ARE GUMBY.
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:50 PM   #47
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:18 PM   #48
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I installed the Shifter with Tap Shift from Carter's Fab & Design a couple weeks ago. I really didn't think I could love my car more than I already did, but moving those damn buttons off the stearing wheel and onto the shifter made all the difference in the world. If you Tap Shift; you will definetely want this. Best mod i've put on the car so far!
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:20 PM   #49
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But will this work on an M6?

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Old 11-10-2010, 06:36 PM   #50
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The thing about it being mounted on the steering wheel or not, if you look at the F1 steering wheel the paddles are mounted on the steering wheel and move with the wheel:



While we're not exactly copying F1 technology, you have to keep in mind, that if you're driving and shifting in the middle of a corner where your hands are crossed, if you're approaching anything near the limit of grip you will spin the car because of the temporary disconnect of power that will result in a short burst of weight transfer, thus result is almost like a lift oversteer. You should, in practice, NEVER shift when the wheels are not relatively straight anyway. Therefore, where the paddles are mounted is really an issue with style and semantics.

Our goal with this kit is to provide you a better ergonomic option to the factory tap-shift, while making it easy enough to install so you don't have to remove the airbag and steering wheel to install, and make absolutely no modifications to the factory hardware and still maintain the tap-shift feature. There'll be nothing to cut, nothing to drill, nothing to remove except for two small screws and replace with our longer screw and mounting hardware.

Test fitting on an actual car in about a week, and as soon as we can confirm all the changes will clear all the operating hardware, we'll go to production and hope to have these in by first quarter of 2011, probably shortly after the new Hurst Comp Plate and Sticks are available.
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People, with your hands at 9 and 3 on the wheel you can turn it 180 deg to each side without having to let go and can still hit the buttons.

NOT UNLESS YOU ARE GUMBY.
Nah, some of us just have the skills....
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:54 PM   #52
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Nah, some of us just have the skills....
It has nothing to do with skill. If you turn the wheel 180 deg without letting go your hands will be crossed at the forearms, the buttons will be on opposite sides and confusing. If you think under those circumstances you can drive safely or efficiently please don't do it next to me. Also if for some reason you think you can use the existing buttons under any circumstance you are mistaken.
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Old 11-10-2010, 07:02 PM   #54
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Surprised with all the vendors out there no one has come forth with something not mounted to the steering wheel.
The shifters I manufacture have the tap shift buttons relocated there not on the wheel, don't think you can find anything better as far as shifting goes
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It has nothing to do with skill. If you turn the wheel 180 deg without letting go your hands will be crossed at the forearms, the buttons will be on opposite sides and confusing. If you think under those circumstances you can drive safely or efficiently please don't do it next to me. Also if for some reason you think you can use the existing buttons under any circumstance you are mistaken.
Dude! I do it no problem. Don't know what your problem is. I never bad mouthed your product or even this one, so chill out. I only pointed out that I have no problems using the buttons in any steering wheel position up to 180 off center... Don't hate cuz you can't do it or wrap your mind around doing it safely....

PS And I forgot to ask since you pissed me off about this. Why do you think it is safer to drive with one hand on the wheel while reaching for your shifter?
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Dude! I do it no problem. Don't know what your problem is. I never bad mouthed your product or even this one, so chill out. I only pointed out that I have no problems using the buttons in any steering wheel position up to 180 off center... Don't hate cuz you can't do it or wrap your mind around doing it safely....

PS And I forgot to ask since you pissed me off about this. Why do you think it is safer to drive with one hand on the wheel while reaching for your shifter?
Didn't mean to piss you off just stating my opinion, the thing is I have driven with both the buttons on the wheel and on the shifter and find that there are many instances when the buttons on the wheel are not accessable. Driving with one hand on the wheel when shifting is the same as with a manual except your hands are off the wheel for a fraction of the time. I am not bashing the tap shift either, if mine wasn't on the shifter I would still be using it just not as efficiently.
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