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TMoneySS · 05-15-2011, 05:27 PM

Just wondering if I should order new sways for my 2012 or will the new sways be comparable? Would current sways even work on the 2012s? Any help from the experts or otherwise would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

TMoneySS (Taylor)

Originally Posted by GM

FE4 suspension enhances performance

The new FE4 suspension debuts as a performance improvement for the Camaro SS coupe in 2012, focusing on more refined handling.

“Our objective was to create a more precise sport suspension for the SS coupe, with greater road-holding capability,” said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. ”We applied lessons learned from extensive track testing to better refine the suspension geometry for flatter cornering, a more neutral balance during hard turns, and minimized understeer at the limit.”

Elements of the FE4 package include:
Retuned front and rear dampers

New solid front (23 mm) and rear (24 mm) stabilizer bars

Twenty-inch aluminum wheels and P245/45R20 front/P275/40R20 rear tires (SS).

More than just new components, the new FE4 performance suspension incorporates learning from the ongoing development of the high-performance Camaro ZL1. In particular, the suspension geometry has been adjusted, including reshaped stabilizer bars that are repositioned outboard of the shock mounts. This results in more effective body control and more precise response in performance driving.

DMSDesign · 05-15-2011, 05:35 PM

There are far better sway bars on the market than these. They are better than current OE. But if you are going to spend the money and time to upgrade, choose the best for your money

mike
dms

TMoneySS · 05-15-2011, 05:42 PM

I forgot to mention this will be for weekend cruising and drag, if that makes a difference! Right now I have other suspension parts: rear bushings, lowering springs, toe rods, trailing arms and subframe connectors! I guess my question is: Will the new sways, which are better then the currect OE, work for a drag setup? Thanks again!

TMoneySS (Taylor)

P.S. If everyone wasn't aware this will be the NEW OE for the 2012 SS (1SS and 2SS)!

Synner · 05-15-2011, 06:26 PM

For drag racing the stiffer the better in the rear. One of the aftermarket adjustable ones work well because you can have it on the first or second hole for regular cruising and then switch to the stiffest right before you head to the track. It helps the IRS act more like a solid rear and will plant the tires a bit better.

IROCanSS · 05-15-2011, 06:34 PM

I dont think you all answerd the questions though... IF the FE4 suspension has redesigned geometry will the CURRENTLY OFFERED afrermarket sways even fit? Thats how I read his question.

I am curious too. I have a modded 2010 I am thinking of trading up for a 45AE. Will my take off BMR sways mount up to the 2012???

Synner · 05-15-2011, 06:47 PM

Well it says repositioned outboard so most likely not.

IROCanSS · 05-15-2011, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synner

Well it says repositioned outboard so most likely not.

ya, thats what I am thinking... hmmmm...

TMoneySS · 05-15-2011, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

ya, thats what I am thinking... hmmmm...

+1....which means I will probably just stay with the improved stock ones...granted it leaves a little play in the rear but i can't imagine it being a ton considering if I got the aftermarket ones they would probably go on hole 2 and stay there! Thanks to everyone so far and any more opinions are very welcome!

P.S.
Jrhaus I am also getting a 45th AE!

Also if I did upgrade do I need both front and rear or just rear? Do i need new end links or not?

Synner · 05-15-2011, 07:38 PM

Well the fact that they're changing them means the knowledge we have of the current ones may not be valid on the 2012's. Personally I'd get both even though some companies offer rear only options. End links are good if you road race it or plan on getting the super stiff setups as both scenarios add a lot of stress. Otherwise I'd run the stockers until they break which may or may not ever happen.

TMoneySS · 05-15-2011, 09:25 PM

Thanks for the advice Synner! I just wanted to be sure i had everything so that I can have it installed all at once! I will more then likely leave the stockers on till they break, which like you said, may not be ever! Thanks again!

Camarowguy · 05-15-2011, 09:45 PM

I'm thinking this is a question that can't really be answered yet? Aren't you referring to a car that hasn't even hit the street yet? How should anyone really know if this is the case? I'm thinking the only way you'll know is when you get the car, no?

PfadtRacing · 05-16-2011, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synner

Well it says repositioned outboard so most likely not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synner

Well the fact that they're changing them means the knowledge we have of the current ones may not be valid on the 2012's. Personally I'd get both even though some companies offer rear only options. End links are good if you road race it or plan on getting the super stiff setups as both scenarios add a lot of stress. Otherwise I'd run the stockers until they break which may or may not ever happen.

Exactly right, it is easy to *speculate that bars design for FE2 and FE3 suspensions will not accommodate the outboard mounting of the yet unreleased FE4 suspensions. I do not anticipate our current bars being appropriate for the FE4 application.

Because they are changing the mounting points on the rear, it changes the actual effectiveness of the bars rate to begin with, so people will have to wait and see if they like the new handling characteristics before they make a decision to stick with them or not. We have a ton of data and user experiences for current sway bars, but only time will tell on the new FE4 stuff. We are on top of it though, as soon as we get more concrete info we will be sure to let everyone know!

-Blair

PfadtRacing · 05-16-2011, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synner

For drag racing the stiffer the better in the rear. One of the aftermarket adjustable ones work well because you can have it on the first or second hole for regular cruising and then switch to the stiffest right before you head to the track. It helps the IRS act more like a solid rear and will plant the tires a bit better.

Yep, thats the truth. This is why we offer our highest rate rear adjustable bar in our drag kit. Helps load the rear tires evenly for a perfect launch!

/Blair

05-15-2011, 05:27 PM	#1
TMoneySS Drives: 2007 Shelby GT500 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Iowa Posts: 319	How Will These Compare? Just wondering if I should order new sways for my 2012 or will the new sways be comparable? Would current sways even work on the 2012s? Any help from the experts or otherwise would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! TMoneySS (Taylor) Originally Posted by GM FE4 suspension enhances performance The new FE4 suspension debuts as a performance improvement for the Camaro SS coupe in 2012, focusing on more refined handling. “Our objective was to create a more precise sport suspension for the SS coupe, with greater road-holding capability,” said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. ”We applied lessons learned from extensive track testing to better refine the suspension geometry for flatter cornering, a more neutral balance during hard turns, and minimized understeer at the limit.” Elements of the FE4 package include: Retuned front and rear dampers New solid front (23 mm) and rear (24 mm) stabilizer bars Twenty-inch aluminum wheels and P245/45R20 front/P275/40R20 rear tires (SS). More than just new components, the new FE4 performance suspension incorporates learning from the ongoing development of the high-performance Camaro ZL1. In particular, the suspension geometry has been adjusted, including reshaped stabilizer bars that are repositioned outboard of the shock mounts. This results in more effective body control and more precise response in performance driving.

05-15-2011, 05:42 PM	#3
TMoneySS Drives: 2007 Shelby GT500 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Iowa Posts: 319	I forgot to mention this will be for weekend cruising and drag, if that makes a difference! Right now I have other suspension parts: rear bushings, lowering springs, toe rods, trailing arms and subframe connectors! I guess my question is: Will the new sways, which are better then the currect OE, work for a drag setup? Thanks again! TMoneySS (Taylor) P.S. If everyone wasn't aware this will be the NEW OE for the 2012 SS (1SS and 2SS)! Last edited by TMoneySS; 05-15-2011 at 06:12 PM.

05-15-2011, 06:34 PM	#5
IROCanSS Account Suspended Drives: 89 IROC 350 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Back roads, southern Ohio Posts: 12,504	GREAT QUESTION!! I dont think you all answerd the questions though... IF the FE4 suspension has redesigned geometry will the CURRENTLY OFFERED afrermarket sways even fit? Thats how I read his question. I am curious too. I have a modded 2010 I am thinking of trading up for a 45AE. Will my take off BMR sways mount up to the 2012???

05-15-2011, 09:45 PM	#11
Camarowguy Drives: 2011 imperial blue SS, black 92 RS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Denham Springs Posts: 2,580	I'm thinking this is a question that can't really be answered yet? Aren't you referring to a car that hasn't even hit the street yet? How should anyone really know if this is the case? I'm thinking the only way you'll know is when you get the car, no? __________________ 2011 imperial blue SS/RS a6 12.43@112 vararam, tune, jba cats, magnaflow axle back, self ported tb, under drive pulley, NO headers, Stock tires. 1.87 60ft. Stock tires. SOLD :( 2000 1500 silverado extra cab SOLD :( 2017 Silverado 5.3 all stock 2004 5.7 GTO 78mm turbo

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05-15-2011, 05:35 PM	#2
DMSDesign Suspension Specialist Drives: 2011 Camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 65	There are far better sway bars on the market than these. They are better than current OE. But if you are going to spend the money and time to upgrade, choose the best for your money mike dms

05-15-2011, 06:26 PM	#4
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,542	For drag racing the stiffer the better in the rear. One of the aftermarket adjustable ones work well because you can have it on the first or second hole for regular cruising and then switch to the stiffest right before you head to the track. It helps the IRS act more like a solid rear and will plant the tires a bit better.

05-15-2011, 06:47 PM	#6
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,542	Well it says repositioned outboard so most likely not.

05-15-2011, 07:38 PM	#9
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,542	Well the fact that they're changing them means the knowledge we have of the current ones may not be valid on the 2012's. Personally I'd get both even though some companies offer rear only options. End links are good if you road race it or plan on getting the super stiff setups as both scenarios add a lot of stress. Otherwise I'd run the stockers until they break which may or may not ever happen.

05-15-2011, 09:25 PM	#10
TMoneySS Drives: 2007 Shelby GT500 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Iowa Posts: 319	Thanks for the advice Synner! I just wanted to be sure i had everything so that I can have it installed all at once! I will more then likely leave the stockers on till they break, which like you said, may not be ever! Thanks again!