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old motorhead · 02-21-2010, 12:23 AM

How about a test that would attempt to identify the best "street" top mount supercharger. A large percentage of the blowers sold are not charged with the task of making huge HP numbers. If blower "A" is capable of 900 hp matters little to the guy that is good with 2/3's of that and wants his power train to live long and play nice. All out builds need another thread. Let's put turbo's and centri's in a different thread also. They're great and deserve their own thread. Compare apples and apples here.

Set up an LS3 dyno mule and test the top mounts available (or soon to be). Equip the LS3 with all the bolt ons (no cam upgrade) and agree on a boost level of say...maybe...8psi. Level the playing field.

Personally, I think there wouldn't be enough difference in power levels to make performance a deal breaker either way. I'd be more interested in packaging, reliability, and track record of the vendor. Your thoughts?

axis · 02-21-2010, 01:14 AM

Good luck.

For one, why not have a blower that has the capablity to put out more? It beats the hell out of upgrading a few years down the line, then have to buy another blower to make more HP. Also, if blower A is capable of making said 900hp, just think how easily and efficiently it can make 600.

old motorhead · 02-21-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by axis

Good luck.

For one, why not have a blower that has the capablity to put out more? It beats the hell out of upgrading a few years down the line, then have to buy another blower to make more HP. Also, if blower A is capable of making said 900hp, just think how easily and efficiently it can make 600.

I'm thinking most folks on this forum have no desire to turn a $35K Camaro into a race car. If they do, they more than likely understand that a bigger blower will make more HP. Just about all of the blowers mentioned have the capability to make power in excess of what most folks would want on the street.

nfamous209 · 02-21-2010, 02:59 AM

i wouldnt bother w/ the LS9 supercharger, im sure through gm it would be expensive. and its essentially the same as any TVS 2300 kit.

*TAG UR IT* · 02-21-2010, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by old motorhead

I'm thinking most folks on this forum have no desire to turn a $35K Camaro into a race car. If they do, they more than likely understand that a bigger blower will make more HP. Just about all of the blowers mentioned have the capability to make power in excess of what most folks would want on the street.

COMPLETELY agree. GOOD POINT.

There's a ton of members here interested in superchargers but have NO idea where to start. They are already looking at possibly losing the warranty (and are quick to find out they can keep it if they keep thier car to the SC specifics). But, there are people who want to know options...and which is the most dependable....least costly over time,...easiest to maintain....etc. Why not do a comparison? I mean...I know the maggies getting strapped on don't have enough time yet to cause issues. But, if taking into account the rear end, what kind of HP can these superchargers put out to keep the "anything over 600RWHP will break your rear end" in check?

Good questions that could be asked here....

flyby · 02-21-2010, 11:01 AM

I agree, if someone would step up and do an apples to apples comparison based on cost, additional horsepower, durability, longevity, maintainability and warranty, I am sure they will get lots of business.

BUMBLEB · 02-21-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by nfamous209

i wouldnt bother w/ the LS9 supercharger, im sure through gm it would be expensive. and its essentially the same as any TVS 2300 kit.

TVS 2300 all the way you wont be disappointed!!!

mikepage0007 · 02-21-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BUMBLEB

TVS 2300 all the way you wont be disappointed!!!

how can you say that , when at least 3 big players have not stepped up to the table yet....and yes i could be disappointed , especially after they all come to market and prices drop by a possible 15%, look at the deals now from 6 months ago... ....i don,t know what kind of money tree you have growing , but if waiting 4-6 weeks gets me all the big sc numbers with pro,s and con,s on each one also might save me another 1000.00 . i can wait.... would you buy the newest ps3 for top dollar when xbox and wii are coming out with new consoles in 3 weeks? would you buy a new camaro for 35k when a possible 525hp z28 comes out 3 weeks later for 8k more just because someone else says buy camaro now , you won,t be disappointed... just my 2 cents..patience has big rewards...

Michael_Js · 02-21-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

COMPLETELY agree. GOOD POINT.

There's a ton of members here interested in superchargers but have NO idea where to start. They are already looking at possibly losing the warranty (and are quick to find out they can keep it if they keep thier car to the SC specifics). But, there are people who want to know options...and which is the most dependable....least costly over time,...easiest to maintain....etc. Why not do a comparison? I mean...I know the maggies getting strapped on don't have enough time yet to cause issues. But, if taking into account the rear end, what kind of HP can these superchargers put out to keep the "anything over 600RWHP will break your rear end" in check?

Good questions that could be asked here....

Yes! I agree with this as it's the boat I'm in...I want to know long term affects; what might need to change down the line (like a stronger clutch?); etc...no plans to race my Baby...but more horsepower? Sure!

I'm leaning towards the Edelbrock at this point - price, looks, numbers...

Warranties don't matter as I'm already not stock, so...

mikepage0007 · 02-21-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BUMBLEB

TVS 2300 all the way you wont be disappointed!!!

btw, nice looking ride

JM10 · 02-21-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael_Js

Yes! I agree with this as it's the boat I'm in...I want to know long term affects; what might need to change down the line (like a stronger clutch?); etc...no plans to race my Baby...but more horsepower? Sure!

I'm leaning towards the Edelbrock at this point - price, looks, numbers...

Warranties don't matter as I'm already not stock, so...

Thats the reason I spent close to 3k on parts (HD axles & Clutch)

And now thinking of the Fastlane twin pump....
just to be on the safe side..

Still waiting for the final numbers of KB and whipple.

JM

TTCamaro · 02-21-2010, 02:02 PM

I've seen #'s from the Harrop TVS2300 and they are very impressive on a built motor.

jsharp · 02-21-2010, 02:33 PM

I want to almost say no maggie just because that is what alot of people have which isnt a bad thing its just I want something different that still is proven to make decent power in a nice cost range. Here is my opinion on each listed above since no one has really started.

Edelbrock: My personal choice. I like that it looks great first of all. Its as clean as the LS9 in my opinion. Its new but from a well established company and will be respected. 30 dollar pulley upgrades is a plus. 7.5 psi pulley on auto would make close to same power as maggie if not more. Can add headers and exhaust with CAI and get 515-525whp so I have been told with good tune. This is my power goal as I dont want to strain the trans and rearend any more than I have too. The kit is a good price at 6200 shipped Looks to be fairly easy install as I would be doing it myself and it comes with a tuner until I can get on the dyno. Has room to grow. Front entry

Harrop: I dont know much about myself. I have read I believe that it is out of US though. I dont really know if I like that but then again it may be popular for all I know and have great reviews. I also have read that it could be a 600whp contender which yes could be tuned down but it comes with a higher price tag. Havent seen any clean installs compared to the looks of the edelbrock. Rear entry I think. 5th choice

KB: Well hands down who could say anything bad about kennebell. I like the kit it once again is a bigger power than I am looking for; which again could be tuned down but the price as we know it is pretty up there. But you pay for what you get for sure. Rear entry. Not many installs I have seen and once again not as clean as the edelbrock. Would be my forth choice

Maggie. Cheapest as it has been out a while. Has good response to bolt ons and puts the auto which I have over 500whp with bolt ons. But its beginning to be a trend that most have it as expected as they came out first. Pretty much gauranteed to be a great kit. I want something different though for a little bit. Would probably be my third choice as it is in my price range. Not sure how easy the install is and not sure how the tune works. I have seen some clean installs using the stock fuel rails. front entry

Whipple: I really really liked the whipple and with it putting out 530whp on auto with no other mods I like knowing I could get 550whp or so with some bolt ons which would be the absolute most hp I would want at this time. I loved the sound and I figure with it being close to the look of the maggie the stock fuel rails could still be used to make a clean look. Good history with these guys. Has been a while since any updates so i have kind of forgot about it. It is suppose to be a 6-6500k price range which would be good for me. This is my second choice. Suppose to be front entry I believe.

This is my personal opinion and I by far do not know all I could or should about each kit but this has been the process I have used to determine the order I would buy them in

02-21-2010, 12:23 AM	#1
old motorhead Drives: Maggie blown LS3 vette Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SE TX Posts: 1,490	Compare..Edelbrock, Harrop, KB, Maggie, Whipple, GM(LS9) How about a test that would attempt to identify the best "street" top mount supercharger. A large percentage of the blowers sold are not charged with the task of making huge HP numbers. If blower "A" is capable of 900 hp matters little to the guy that is good with 2/3's of that and wants his power train to live long and play nice. All out builds need another thread. Let's put turbo's and centri's in a different thread also. They're great and deserve their own thread. Compare apples and apples here. Set up an LS3 dyno mule and test the top mounts available (or soon to be). Equip the LS3 with all the bolt ons (no cam upgrade) and agree on a boost level of say...maybe...8psi. Level the playing field. Personally, I think there wouldn't be enough difference in power levels to make performance a deal breaker either way. I'd be more interested in packaging, reliability, and track record of the vendor. Your thoughts?

02-21-2010, 01:14 AM	#2
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	Good luck. For one, why not have a blower that has the capablity to put out more? It beats the hell out of upgrading a few years down the line, then have to buy another blower to make more HP. Also, if blower A is capable of making said 900hp, just think how easily and efficiently it can make 600. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

02-21-2010, 02:02 PM	#12
TTCamaro Turbo fabber Drives: 2010 Twin turbo Camaro Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: CA Posts: 16	I've seen #'s from the Harrop TVS2300 and they are very impressive on a built motor. __________________ 2010 Twin turbo Camaro

02-21-2010, 02:33 PM	#13
jsharp NOW CAMMED & SUPERCHARGED Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Black w/ IOM Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ar Posts: 2,336	I want to almost say no maggie just because that is what alot of people have which isnt a bad thing its just I want something different that still is proven to make decent power in a nice cost range. Here is my opinion on each listed above since no one has really started. Edelbrock: My personal choice. I like that it looks great first of all. Its as clean as the LS9 in my opinion. Its new but from a well established company and will be respected. 30 dollar pulley upgrades is a plus. 7.5 psi pulley on auto would make close to same power as maggie if not more. Can add headers and exhaust with CAI and get 515-525whp so I have been told with good tune. This is my power goal as I dont want to strain the trans and rearend any more than I have too. The kit is a good price at 6200 shipped Looks to be fairly easy install as I would be doing it myself and it comes with a tuner until I can get on the dyno. Has room to grow. Front entry Harrop: I dont know much about myself. I have read I believe that it is out of US though. I dont really know if I like that but then again it may be popular for all I know and have great reviews. I also have read that it could be a 600whp contender which yes could be tuned down but it comes with a higher price tag. Havent seen any clean installs compared to the looks of the edelbrock. Rear entry I think. 5th choice KB: Well hands down who could say anything bad about kennebell. I like the kit it once again is a bigger power than I am looking for; which again could be tuned down but the price as we know it is pretty up there. But you pay for what you get for sure. Rear entry. Not many installs I have seen and once again not as clean as the edelbrock. Would be my forth choice Maggie. Cheapest as it has been out a while. Has good response to bolt ons and puts the auto which I have over 500whp with bolt ons. But its beginning to be a trend that most have it as expected as they came out first. Pretty much gauranteed to be a great kit. I want something different though for a little bit. Would probably be my third choice as it is in my price range. Not sure how easy the install is and not sure how the tune works. I have seen some clean installs using the stock fuel rails. front entry Whipple: I really really liked the whipple and with it putting out 530whp on auto with no other mods I like knowing I could get 550whp or so with some bolt ons which would be the absolute most hp I would want at this time. I loved the sound and I figure with it being close to the look of the maggie the stock fuel rails could still be used to make a clean look. Good history with these guys. Has been a while since any updates so i have kind of forgot about it. It is suppose to be a 6-6500k price range which would be good for me. This is my second choice. Suppose to be front entry I believe. This is my personal opinion and I by far do not know all I could or should about each kit but this has been the process I have used to determine the order I would buy them in __________________ Livernois Motorsports: Maggie 2300 7psi, Livernois 2C cam/L99 to LS3 Conversion, Ported TB, Rotofab w/adm race scoop, adm trans cooler,Kooks headers no cats, Kooks 3" exhaust. METCO breather. Precision 2400 Vigilante TC. Eibach Lowering Springs & Swaybars. BMR Trailing arms, BMR Rear Cradle Bushings, BMR Toe Rods, BMR Differential bushings. Vossen CV3 20's w/ 305 Mickey Thompson @25psi. Zl1 front bumper. OE Zl1 Hood and matte black insert. 556RWHP/500RWTQ L99

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nfamous209 Drives: 2002 Camaro z28 Join Date: May 2008 Location: patterson, ca Posts: 413	i wouldnt bother w/ the LS9 supercharger, im sure through gm it would be expensive. and its essentially the same as any TVS 2300 kit.

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flyby Drives: 2010 Silver SS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Glen Gardner, NJ Posts: 1,339 View My Garage	I agree, if someone would step up and do an apples to apples comparison based on cost, additional horsepower, durability, longevity, maintainability and warranty, I am sure they will get lots of business.