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Steve@Subthump · 06-19-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Icefsh

Was thinking of doing what zachi3 said. Try to hook it up to the factory wires and eliminate the crossover. Makes sence that this might work. Also Veritasz mentioned that the inpedence is not right. I think Steve at ******** agress with you.

I did email Steve at ******** yesterday. He returned my email quickly. He says that the speakers I installed are 4 ohm and the boston speakers are 2 ohm. Bummer, hopefully he can come up with some type of amp setup that I can affordably get into. Looks like I will not be listening to my stereo until I find a solution. Thanks for the feedback everyone!

All you need is our FARK kit and a 4 channel amp. Only have about 20 or so kits left and will likely not have more made.

Jefe's SS · 06-19-2011, 06:58 PM

Good choice on the Focals but they do prefer the juice to get the best from them. I've got a set of KPSs and a Zapco amp waiting to be installed in something, anything. Hmmm.

Iwantone2 · 06-19-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve@********

All you need is our FARK kit and a 4 channel amp. Only have about 20 or so kits left and will likely not have more made.

Never, ever?

JohnnyComeLately · 06-20-2011, 12:45 AM

Yes you're hearing a mismatch of efficiency. I had a Hertz HSK 165, similar quality, and listened to one side in first. I gaurantee your highs are 10 times better but you don't hear it. Your factory BA are thin near paper speakers with no crossover. Do the pair and then throw in a CD. If you think Focals sound worse than stock then you must be listening to MP3s at high compression and you're finally hearing what garbage sounds like clearly

You'll be doing an amp soon. Also, with those speakers set your EQ back to 0 for hi, mid and lo.

Bill Waters · 06-23-2011, 10:37 PM

Icefsh,others;
I am getting ready to upgrade my factory BA. In preparing for that I have investigated the OE stuff. On the factory stereo wiring diagram, the wires coming from the BA amp to the front speakers seem to be woofer and tweeter- specific, so it is possible you are inputting already crossed-over signals to the Focals, or that the signals are otherwise degrading.

Those Focals are very good speakers; the BA amp can't possibly do them justice.

HTH
Bill

Icefsh · 06-24-2011, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Waters

Icefsh,others;
I am getting ready to upgrade my factory BA. In preparing for that I have investigated the OE stuff. On the factory stereo wiring diagram, the wires coming from the BA amp to the front speakers seem to be woofer and tweeter- specific, so it is possible you are inputting already crossed-over signals to the Focals, or that the signals are otherwise degrading.

Those Focals are very good speakers; the BA amp can't possibly do them justice.

HTH
Bill

Thanks Bill, I just ordered a Alpine PDX-5 off of ebay and a nice sub. Got the sub enclosure and FARK kit from ********. I agree that the OE Boston amp is not what I want with these speakers. To bad I did my research later than I should have but I think it will work out ok. I think with the new amp, I should not have a problem.

Bill Waters · 06-25-2011, 08:15 AM

You will like the PDX amp. But I'm biased - I've got 6 PDX's in my various cars....Good luck

shevyman · 06-25-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Icefsh

Thanks Bill, I just ordered a Alpine PDX-5 off of ebay and a nice sub. Got the sub enclosure and FARK kit from ********. I agree that the OE Boston amp is not what I want with these speakers. To bad I did my research later than I should have but I think it will work out ok. I think with the new amp, I should not have a problem.

after you install the amp do not turn it up all the way. you need to break the speakers in if you want to get the sound quality and longevity of the speakers. we have a focal 10" sub that would sound awesome in the trunk of your car also. i know you bought the ******** and i was late. cause we are letting our speaker go dirt cheap cause it was an open package. new it was 500 now 250. have two of them but different models.

other then that once you get the focals in and running you will love them. just hope you know how to do the tunning, cause you can also tune the speakers with the crossover on how you wire it up and i think that model has a switch to.

in my car i put the hertz high energy xls in my front doors. and man do they sound awesome

JohnnyComeLately · 06-26-2011, 12:54 PM

You know, I can't say in 25 years of car (or home) audio, I've heard someone recommend breaking in speakers...??? ok... Won't argue, but I'm not sure what breaks in with a wiring/coil assembly. It's probably still good advice, though, so people don't immediately start damaging their system by driving it into distortion.

I checked the front speakers. I think you were reading the rears schematics. The fronts at the plugs for the tweeter and mid are the same color coding, and have a 0 (zero) ohm resistance between them. It's the same wire. The rears do have 3 wires to each of the near-6X9s.

I listened to the High Energy HSK next to the HSK XLs. The mids hit almost the same, unless you have a lot of power. If you're running 150+ RMS, go XL. If you're staying well under, Hi Energy HSK will sound the same and save you about $200.

I can't turn the gain up very much on my PPI A404, and so I might kick my HSKs to the rear and then get the HSK XLs for the door. The tweeter is larger I think, so it's not 100% remove and replace.

Icefsh · 06-26-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shevyman

after you install the amp do not turn it up all the way. you need to break the speakers in if you want to get the sound quality and longevity of the speakers. we have a focal 10" sub that would sound awesome in the trunk of your car also. i know you bought the ******** and i was late. cause we are letting our speaker go dirt cheap cause it was an open package. new it was 500 now 250. have two of them but different models.

other then that once you get the focals in and running you will love them. just hope you know how to do the tunning, cause you can also tune the speakers with the crossover on how you wire it up and i think that model has a switch to.

in my car i put the hertz high energy xls in my front doors. and man do they sound awesome

Don't know how to tune the system yet. I will have to play around with it and go from there. Any input on tuning would be appreciated. I have the crossover set to the middle setting. To adjust those I would have to take to door apart again. Getting pretty fast at it now.

Veritasz · 07-05-2011, 12:21 AM

Break in period is mainly for woofers. The parameters do ever so slightly change as the suspension loosens up.. As far as tuning your system goes, I've always done this by ear (Although I do still have a 1/3 octave anaylizer). Crossover points should be pretty straight forward if you are going to use the included passive one. All you'll need to do is find good point for your sub and again I recommend doing this by ear cause it's your system and you need to be the one who is satisfied..

06-20-2011, 12:45 AM	#18
JohnnyComeLately Drives: 2010 SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 311	Yes you're hearing a mismatch of efficiency. I had a Hertz HSK 165, similar quality, and listened to one side in first. I gaurantee your highs are 10 times better but you don't hear it. Your factory BA are thin near paper speakers with no crossover. Do the pair and then throw in a CD. If you think Focals sound worse than stock then you must be listening to MP3s at high compression and you're finally hearing what garbage sounds like clearly You'll be doing an amp soon. Also, with those speakers set your EQ back to 0 for hi, mid and lo. __________________ Both my rides will smoke ya 2010 L99 2SS/RS - Hertz HE HSK 165 components/PPI A404 & A600/JL Audio 10W6/Audio Control EQX, FAST Intake Manifold

06-26-2011, 12:54 PM	#23
JohnnyComeLately Drives: 2010 SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 311	You know, I can't say in 25 years of car (or home) audio, I've heard someone recommend breaking in speakers...??? ok... Won't argue, but I'm not sure what breaks in with a wiring/coil assembly. It's probably still good advice, though, so people don't immediately start damaging their system by driving it into distortion. I checked the front speakers. I think you were reading the rears schematics. The fronts at the plugs for the tweeter and mid are the same color coding, and have a 0 (zero) ohm resistance between them. It's the same wire. The rears do have 3 wires to each of the near-6X9s. I listened to the High Energy HSK next to the HSK XLs. The mids hit almost the same, unless you have a lot of power. If you're running 150+ RMS, go XL. If you're staying well under, Hi Energy HSK will sound the same and save you about $200. I can't turn the gain up very much on my PPI A404, and so I might kick my HSKs to the rear and then get the HSK XLs for the door. The tweeter is larger I think, so it's not 100% remove and replace. __________________ Both my rides will smoke ya 2010 L99 2SS/RS - Hertz HE HSK 165 components/PPI A404 & A600/JL Audio 10W6/Audio Control EQX, FAST Intake Manifold

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06-19-2011, 06:58 PM	#16
Jefe's SS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS IOM L99 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Thornton, CO Posts: 339	Good choice on the Focals but they do prefer the juice to get the best from them. I've got a set of KPSs and a Zapco amp waiting to be installed in something, anything. Hmmm.

06-23-2011, 10:37 PM	#19
Bill Waters Drives: 2011 RS/SS; 1965 Cobra Factory Five Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Carrollton, Georgia Posts: 38	Icefsh,others; I am getting ready to upgrade my factory BA. In preparing for that I have investigated the OE stuff. On the factory stereo wiring diagram, the wires coming from the BA amp to the front speakers seem to be woofer and tweeter- specific, so it is possible you are inputting already crossed-over signals to the Focals, or that the signals are otherwise degrading. Those Focals are very good speakers; the BA amp can't possibly do them justice. HTH Bill

06-25-2011, 08:15 AM	#21
Bill Waters Drives: 2011 RS/SS; 1965 Cobra Factory Five Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Carrollton, Georgia Posts: 38	You will like the PDX amp. But I'm biased - I've got 6 PDX's in my various cars....Good luck

07-05-2011, 12:21 AM	#25
Veritasz Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: West Virginia Posts: 28	Break in period is mainly for woofers. The parameters do ever so slightly change as the suspension loosens up.. As far as tuning your system goes, I've always done this by ear (Although I do still have a 1/3 octave anaylizer). Crossover points should be pretty straight forward if you are going to use the included passive one. All you'll need to do is find good point for your sub and again I recommend doing this by ear cause it's your system and you need to be the one who is satisfied..