Camaro The Underdog

[GnyaTek]

There can be only one ... Underdog!

[TOMS1SS]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

I get heat for saying this but for the first time in history. The camaro has become THIS popular so that makes sence. And its due to its styleing and hype from the movie buzz *puts on flame suit*. But in camaro history it has always not been this popular far as i seen. And i mean on this GRAND a scale not to mention. I was up at hamton beach in the peak of tourist season and i seen more then 70 mustangs 2 max 4th/3ed gen camaros and 3 to 5 (more like 3) gen 5 camaros so. With that logic and unless camaros going to meet somewhere they are an underdog

I'd say the 1st Gen Camaros are the most popular of any of the 1st generation Pony Cars. Outside that the 2nd Gens, 3rd and 4th Gen cars don't have anywhere close to the same following as the Mustangs do. You'd think the Mustang II would have done a lot of damage but Ford make a quick fix with the Fox body and GM let the 2nd Gen Camaro rot, losing market share to its F-body brother the Firebird. The 3rd Gen cars could compete with the Fox body but the damage had already been done by the 2nd Gens. As for the 4th Gens....let's just saying going from 93-02 with little to no development on bland looking cars will kill any name plate. The 5th Gen cars are the first real thread the Mustang has had since the 1st Gen cars IMO.

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by TOMS1SS

I'd say the 1st Gen Camaros are the most popular of any of the 1st generation Pony Cars. Outside that the 2nd Gens, 3rd and 4th Gen cars don't have anywhere close to the same following as the Mustangs do. You'd think the Mustang II would have done a lot of damage but Ford make a quick fix with the Fox body and GM let the 2nd Gen Camaro rot, losing market share to its F-body brother the Firebird. The 3rd Gen cars could compete with the Fox body but the damage had already been done by the 2nd Gens. As for the 4th Gens....let's just saying going from 93-02 with little to no development on bland looking cars will kill any name plate. The 5th Gen cars are the first real thread the Mustang has had since the 1st Gen cars IMO.

I agree completely but i read somewhere the first gen floped or am i mistaken and YES it hurts to say but. The gen 4 killed the camaro i always hated the gen 4 look wise so ugly and they never did anything with it. It was a limping hurt dog i am so suprized it took 10 YEARS to final put the gun to its suffering head and pull the trigger SORRY GEN 4 OWNERS ITS MY .02 CENTS

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by 5thGenOwner

First... I've never heard of a sports car requiring a specific size engine... Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc.

Also a sports car is not a "price range"... a Mazda Miata is considered a sports car and is well under a Corvette, or any of the above.

I am sure we can agree to disagree, but...

IMO... I would say a sports car is mostly quantified by its seating capacity and its aero dynamics (built for track requirements). Most are 2 seaters and very aero-dynamic, and if they do have a back seat it fits no human properly. Muscle Cars/Pony Cars always have a back seat, and aero-dynamics are much less important than the overall style of the car.

IMO a muscle car is two things tiny car HUGE MOTOR think its big STUFF A BIGGER ONE IN THERE . And this whole 4 seat two seat coup agurement can go on for a LONG while . Along with the 4 door vs 2 door muscle car . AND the pony car vs muscle car witch is witch . It seems everone has there own option on it BUT what is fact is the corvette and the ford GT 40 both went over seas and were the first and only amercain cars to beat ferrari and the like. There raceing history is what makes them the ONLY sports cars. The viper STOCK did not win nothing. Though heavily moded for raceing did

[NoSyT]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

IMO a muscle car is two things tiny car HUGE MOTOR think its big STUFF A BIGGER ONE IN THERE . And this whole 4 seat two seat coup agurement can go on for a LONG while . Along with the 4 door vs 2 door muscle car . AND the pony car vs muscle car witch is witch . It seems everone has there own option on it BUT what is fact is the corvette and the ford GT 40 both went over seas and were the first and only amercain cars to beat ferrari and the like. There raceing history is what makes them the ONLY sports cars. The viper STOCK did not win nothing. Though heavily moded for raceing did

Nightfall...this is one of the 2 things that seriously irk me about you...

You contradict yourself all the time. Here you say "IMO a muscle car is two things tiny car HUGE MOTOR". On the first page of this thread you said a Viper is a muscle car (Post #21). A Viper is by no means a tiny car. So which is it?

I see you do this all over C5. You should change your name to Flip-Flop, you change your mind so much. Quit being such a post whore, pick a story and stick with it dude, damn.

Don't even get me started with your GT40 and Corvette are the ONLY sports cars and the Viper isn't...you are off your rocker.

[builder11150]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

I get heat for saying this but for the first time in history. The camaro has become THIS popular so that makes sence. And its due to its styleing and hype from the movie buzz *puts on flame suit*. But in camaro history it has always not been this popular far as i seen. And i mean on this GRAND a scale not to mention. I was up at hamton beach in the peak of tourist season and i seen more then 70 mustangs 2 max 4th/3ed gen camaros and 3 to 5 (more like 3) gen 5 camaros so. With that logic and unless camaros going to meet somewhere they are an underdog

This isn't the first time the Camaro has been this popular. Every year of the first gen sold over 200,000 units.

Year

67: *220,906
68: 235,147
69: 243,065
70: 124,901
71:*114,630
72: 114,630
73: 96,751
74: 151,008
75: 145,770
76: 182,959
77: 218,858
78: 272,631
79: 282,571
80: 152,005
81: 126,139
82: *189,747
83: 154,318
84: 261,591
85: 180,018
86: 192,219
87: 137,760
88: 96,275
89: 110,850
90: 35,048
91: 101,316
92: 70,712
93: *39,755
94: 119,934
95: 122,844
96: 66,827
97: 95,812
98: 77,198
99: 42,098
00: 45,417
01: 29,009

2010 Camaro sales: 97,433

I even took the liberty of bolding every year of Camaro that sold more than the 2010. In fact, 1979 was the best selling year for the Camaro. Not even counting the 'birds, and they were very popular also. The Camaro has always been a popular car.

The 2010 even had an 8 year hiatus, and 4 years after the concept, to build up hype. Sales for 2011 have dropped, and I imagine 2012 will be even worse.

Originally Posted by Nightfall

. Though the camaro orginaly did flop hardcore (glad they never gave up on it)

I guess not. The 1967 MY sold over double what the 2010 did.

[steeleshark2]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

I posted this in another thread but i feel it should have its own. We talk alot about the camaro on here DUH ITS A CAMARO FORUM . But no one brings this up far as i see.....

I hate to say it (and swear) but the camaro is the bastard child of the auto world. Always has been and at one point in time called "The Poor Mans Corvette" and that motto sticks true today. And IMO back in the day if you could not afford a corvette you got a camaro. Could not afford a camaro? you got a chevy chevelle/nova with a mid sized motor lol. Thats how i always viewed it. Cause the camaro has always had a corvette motor just down tuned. So it could never compete with the corvette on any grounds power or preformce. Think about the history of the camaro it ALMOST ALWAYS had a corvette motor....just saying

this is just my .02 cents i always loved the camaro more then the corvette. I love the under dog the camaro is. The corvette also Is NOT a muscle car NEVER WAS its a Sports car and IMO (besides the ford GT modeled after the GT 40 not to be confused with the mustang gt). Are the american ONLY TRUE SPORTS CARS IMO. The camaro has always been number two in chevy's line up. Any upgrades the corvette got then trickled down to the camaro. It is always in 2ed place though I AM NOT COMPLAINING. Just stateing fact

Whats your thoughts on this am i wrong or what? iI am just going by the history of the camaro. The corvette is the icon the baby the cream of the crop. Chevy puts out the corvette always has been the top tier of the brands line up of cars. Ever thing else is 2ed in line

Unless you need 4 seats instead of 2.

[Bonanza7]

The auto world evaluates on details of performance. The buying world makes it's purchases based on styling, with SOME consideration to performance

[Baba]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

I posted this in another thread but i feel it should have its own. We talk alot about the camaro on here DUH ITS A CAMARO FORUM . But no one brings this up far as i see.....

I hate to say it (and swear) but the camaro is the bastard child of the auto world. Always has been and at one point in time called "The Poor Mans Corvette" and that motto sticks true today. And IMO back in the day if you could not afford a corvette you got a camaro. Could not afford a camaro? you got a chevy chevelle/nova with a mid sized motor lol. Thats how i always viewed it. Cause the camaro has always had a corvette motor just down tuned. So it could never compete with the corvette on any grounds power or preformce. Think about the history of the camaro it ALMOST ALWAYS had a corvette motor....just saying

this is just my .02 cents i always loved the camaro more then the corvette. I love the under dog the camaro is. The corvette also Is NOT a muscle car NEVER WAS its a Sports car and IMO (besides the ford GT modeled after the GT 40 not to be confused with the mustang gt). Are the american ONLY TRUE SPORTS CARS IMO. The camaro has always been number two in chevy's line up. Any upgrades the corvette got then trickled down to the camaro. It is always in 2ed place though I AM NOT COMPLAINING. Just stateing fact

Whats your thoughts on this am i wrong or what? iI am just going by the history of the camaro. The corvette is the icon the baby the cream of the crop. Chevy puts out the corvette always has been the top tier of the brands line up of cars. Ever thing else is 2ed in line

People, in particular Camaro owners, with any doubt(s), really need to get off the broken "poor man's Corvette" record and not feed into these types false and stereotypical statements. "Perception is reality" but reality isn't always true to perception.

In the late 60's into the early 70's, the Opel GT (imported by GM from Germany) was called "the poor man's Corvette". Most recently, the Saturn Sky is / was called "the poor man's Corvette". People who compare the two beyond anything aside by the fact that they're both made by Chevrolet, are, well, somewhat ignorant. I don't believe GM / Chevy built / builds the Camaro with the mindset that it's the "next best thing to a Corvette". They're two different cars in style, performance, target demographic, et al. However, there's no doubt that some people will buy the Camaro as a "compromise" to not being able to afford a Corvette. However, we don't say "he can't afford a Camaro so he bought a Honda Accord V6 Coupe, do we? That's about as accurate as stating that the sun rises in the West and sets in the East.

Discourage the (perceived) stereotype and highlight the pros of owning and driving your ride. Be proud of your Camaro!

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by Baba

People, in particular Camaro owners with any doubt(s), really need to get off the broken "poor man's Corvette" record and not feed into these types of statements. "Perception is reality" but reality isn't always true to perception.

In the late 60's into the early 70's, the Opel GT (imported by GM from Germany) was called "the poor man's Corvette". Most recently, the Saturn Sky is / was called "the poor man's Corvette". People who compare the two beyond anything aside by the fact that they're both made by Chevrolet, are, well, somewhat ignorant. I don't believe GM / Chevy built / builds the Camaro with the mindset that it's the "next best thing to a Corvette". They're two different cars in style, performance and target demographic.

Don't feed into the perceived stereotype. Be proud of your Camaro!

I am very proud of my camaro TRUST ME. And i am useing it in context of poor mans corvette as in. If you cant pay for a corvette you buy a camaro. Thats the general jist of it cause not everone can drop 53k for a car but 23k is more resaonable you know? Not to mention INS cost gas cost maintnece cost ext ext the camaro has always been runner up to it because of that. Thats my .02 cents. I am not saying the camaro is worse or better and i know there two differnt cars in two differnt worlds. But a car is a car four wheels a motor so lol

*edit* its also like saying the cruise ss (or what ever is the highest trim level) is a poor mans camaro LMFAO you cant pay for the camaro but for 19k you can have a nice little sports car. inline 4 yes BUT the camaro has a 6 banger (going by the 23k price point) and the corvette has a 8 banger so it fits

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eh guess the priceing is the same but if you could aford one witch one would YOU get. Guessing you haveing a camaro point proven so for 18k my point still stands "poor mans camaro" in the same aspect as the camaro is the poor mans corvette 33k compared to 50k for the same v8 motor and high preformce

[builder11150]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

eh guess the priceing is the same but if you could aford one witch one would YOU get. Guessing you haveing a camaro point proven so for 18k my point still stands "poor mans camaro" in the same aspect as the camaro is the poor mans corvette 33k compared to 50k for the same v8 motor and high preformce

What? The Cruze is now the poor man's Camaro?

The Cruze is a four door family sedan made for gas mileage. You don't buy a Cruze if you can't afford a brand new Camaro.

[Baba]

Please don't misinterpret my comments. They were a "generalization' and not directed at you. Only addressing the "mindset" of the "poor man's Corvette" stereotype.

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by builder11150

What? The Cruze is now the poor man's Camaro?

The Cruze is a four door family sedan made for gas mileage. You don't buy a Cruze if you can't afford a brand new Camaro.

There is no other "sports car" in the same price as the camaro is there? Everthing else is four door and starting at 21 k

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them two family cars. The only two true "sports cars" in chevy line up are the camaro and corvette lol and closest thing cheaper is the cruise

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by Baba

Please don't misinterpret my comments. They were a "generalization' and not directed at you. Only addressing the "mindset" of the "poor man's Corvette" stereotype.

i understand i am just explaining more how i am defineing "poor mans corvette" as in cost wise. I am sure if we all could we would buy a corvette but cost wise put us in the camaro for better and worse again not a pissing contest. Not saying witch one is better or worse