Camaro The Underdog

[Nightfall]

I posted this in another thread but i feel it should have its own. We talk alot about the camaro on here DUH ITS A CAMARO FORUM . But no one brings this up far as i see.....

I hate to say it (and swear) but the camaro is the bastard child of the auto world. Always has been and at one point in time called "The Poor Mans Corvette" and that motto sticks true today. And IMO back in the day if you could not afford a corvette you got a camaro. Could not afford a camaro? you got a chevy chevelle/nova with a mid sized motor lol. Thats how i always viewed it. Cause the camaro has always had a corvette motor just down tuned. So it could never compete with the corvette on any grounds power or preformce. Think about the history of the camaro it ALMOST ALWAYS had a corvette motor....just saying

this is just my .02 cents i always loved the camaro more then the corvette. I love the under dog the camaro is. The corvette also Is NOT a muscle car NEVER WAS its a Sports car and IMO (besides the ford GT modeled after the GT 40 not to be confused with the mustang gt). Are the american ONLY TRUE SPORTS CARS IMO. The camaro has always been number two in chevy's line up. Any upgrades the corvette got then trickled down to the camaro. It is always in 2ed place though I AM NOT COMPLAINING. Just stateing fact

Whats your thoughts on this am i wrong or what? iI am just going by the history of the camaro. The corvette is the icon the baby the cream of the crop. Chevy puts out the corvette always has been the top tier of the brands line up of cars. Ever thing else is 2ed in line

[2SS 2011]

The Camaro has an Identity all to itself.. and a Huge following.. That's life.. there is always going to be ONE Number 1.. In Cars life and Sports.. There is always going to be someone or something better..

[Chiefish]

Ive been called a Bastard many times before, so thats probly why I love mine soo much, like we are twins
You are pretty much right in this theory, But I dont give a damn, because from where I came from the fact that I can even afford to buy a loaded SS makes me a rich man.

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by 2SS 2011

The Camaro has an Identity all to itself.. and a Huge following.. That's life.. there is always going to be ONE Number 1.. In Cars life and Sports.. There is always going to be someone or something better..

i completely agree but its not the point of this thread. If any car is good and draws from the heart emotion. It will have its own identity and the camaro, the chanllger, mustang, and corvette have there own identity. But still dont change history or what makes a camaro a camaro IMO. As i mentioned above

[GnyaTek]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

i completely agree but its not the point of this thread. If any car is good and draws from the heart emotion. It will have its own identity and the camaro, the chanllger, mustang, and corvette have there own identity. But still dont change history or what makes a camaro a camaro IMO. As i mentioned above

You just contradicted yourself, here you seem to be saying that the Camaro has it's own identity and is unique. But in your first post you referred to it as a bastard child, kinda a knock off and step down from the Vette.

The two vehicles (Corvette and Camaro) are aimed at two different markets. That they share appeal is not a surprise.

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by GnyaTek

You just contradicted yourself, here you seem to be saying that the Camaro has it's own identity and is unique. But in your first post you referred to it as a bastard child, kinda a knock off and step down from the Vette.

The two vehicles (Corvette and Camaro) are aimed at two different markets. That they share appeal is not a surprise.

I am sorry for contradicting myself here my friend. trying not to confuse people here. Ok so lets try this the camaro started off as one then formed into its own. But has always been in the corvettes shadow. That sounds better?

[GnyaTek]

To clarify my point:

These vehicles are targeted for different markets and as such are stand alones. One is a 2-seater, the other sorta a 4-seater. Weight, handling, performance are different between the two.

The difference is really in the class of the vehicle ... muscle/sport vs performance car.

Kinda like comparing the HHR to a Suburban. Both kinda look similar and have some similarity in function but are for two different markets.

As for the whole "poor man's Vette" thing, well ... folks get touchy about whatever they drive and defensive. There are lots of idiots out there and lots of folks that occasionally act like idiots. Denigrating what other folks drive (either by circumstance or choice) seems to be far too common and the folks that are doing that are just trying to make themselves feel superior (which if you think about it, really is proving themselves the opposite!)

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by GnyaTek

To clarify my point:

These vehicles are targeted for different markets and as such are stand alones. One is a 2-seater, the other sorta a 4-seater. Weight, handling, performance are different between the two.

The difference is really in the class of the vehicle ... muscle/sport vs performance car.

Kinda like comparing the HHR to a Suburban. Both kinda look similar and have some similarity in function but are for two different markets.

As for the whole "poor man's Vette" thing, well ... folks get touchy about whatever they drive and defensive. There are lots of idiots out there and lots of folks that occasionally act like idiots. Denigrating what other folks drive (either by circumstance or choice) seems to be far too common and the folks that are doing that are just trying to make themselves feel superior (which if you think about it, really is proving themselves the opposite!)

Well spoken and i respect your point and option . But how do you think that the camaro always gets the corvette motor and DNA?. I think that after the huge success of the corvette chevy needed to tap into another market. Thus the camaro was born IMO. You cant state one with out the other. There like brothers from two differnt fathers. One has more talent then the other but still same mother. The camaro in history has always been in the shadow of the corvette and it always seems like it is trying to be one just never enuff talent. Its held back and thus Underdog but. I am not trying to take anything away from the camaro it has always been a beast and compareing the worst corvette to the best camaro and vs verse is silly. This is no pissing contest its reflecting on the history of the car. What makes the camaro the camaro. IMO

[GnyaTek]

Looking at history, I don't think the Camaro was intended to be "little brother/sister" to the Corvette as much as it was intended to be a competitor to the Mustang introduced in 1964 (explains the 3 year lag before the intro of the Camaro).

As Chevy was trying to "catch up" with Ford's "new car" (though the Mustang was really just a spiffed up Falcon), it is not a surprise that they borrowed components, including engine, from the Vette that was already in production. This helps in a couple ways ... it is faster to market as opposed to designing from ground up, and it uses a tried and tested powertrain to limit the "oops's" of introducing new potential buggy systems in a vehicle while trying to compete with a vehicle that has been on the market for 3 years already.

The size and weight of the Camaro compared to the Vette helped make the performance levels "not as competitve" with the Vette, as well as adjustments to the tuning etc ... this was designed so as not to piss off Chevy's existing market in the performance category.

Summary: Camaro was brought to market in reaction to a new "class" of vehicle and in response to the intro of the Mustang, not as a knock-off of the Vette.

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by GnyaTek

Looking at history, I don't think the Camaro was intended to be "little brother/sister" to the Corvette as much as it was intended to be a competitor to the Mustang introduced in 1964 (explains the 3 year lag before the intro of the Camaro).

As Chevy was trying to "catch up" with Ford's "new car" (though the Mustang was really just a spiffed up Falcon), it is not a surprise that they borrowed components, including engine, from the Vette that was already in production. This helps in a couple ways ... it is faster to market as opposed to designing from ground up, and it uses a tried and tested powertrain to limit the "oops's" of introducing new potential buggy systems in a vehicle while trying to compete with a vehicle that has been on the market for 3 years already.

The size and weight of the Camaro compared to the Vette helped make the performance levels "not as competitve" with the Vette, as well as adjustments to the tuning etc ... this was designed so as not to piss off Chevy's existing market in the performance category.

Summary: Camaro was brought to market in reaction to a new "class" of vehicle and in response to the intro of the Mustang, not as a knock-off of the Vette.

intresting you worded it that way "knock-off of the Vette." i was not going for that. But i can see you can get the impression of that and your 100% right. But the mustang had a market and the camaro was the answer to it chevy wanted a peice of that money pie. Though the camaro orginaly did flop hardcore (glad they never gave up on it)

I would never say the camaro was a "knock off" of anything it is its own car. But like the last posts you do make alot of good points you sir have my respect. I think we both right on this just from two prespectives on the matter

*edit* anyone else like to chime in? lol this is too one sided with him or me

[Chiefish]

I think all this is just useless bantor myself. Who really cares

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by Chiefish

I think all this is just useless bantor myself. Who really cares

Because it deals with history the DNA the heart of what makes a camaro a camaro

There is an old wise saying "thoughs who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"

This as i stated is no pissing contest no thread about what is better or worse. Both in there LOOOOOONG history can say both best....and worse. I just find it intresting and what makes a camaro a camaro

[nashstat]

Originally Posted by GnyaTek

To clarify my point:

These vehicles are targeted for different markets and as such are stand alones. One is a 2-seater, the other sorta a 4-seater. Weight, handling, performance are different between the two.

The difference is really in the class of the vehicle ... muscle/sport vs performance car.

Kinda like comparing the HHR to a Suburban. Both kinda look similar and have some similarity in function but are for two different markets.

As for the whole "poor man's Vette" thing, well ... folks get touchy about whatever they drive and defensive. There are lots of idiots out there and lots of folks that occasionally act like idiots. Denigrating what other folks drive (either by circumstance or choice) seems to be far too common and the folks that are doing that are just trying to make themselves feel superior (which if you think about it, really is proving themselves the opposite!)

Good point. I believe Fbodfather in an interview somewhere said that most people that own Corvette's usually have another car in the family, where as not the same can be said about the Camaro. Thus they have to make the car more of a daily driver than the Corvette.

[Chiefish]

Cars dont have DNA or hearts, History yes but thats all. You cant repeat being second best if youve never even benn in first to begin with.