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bmwdon · 12-22-2011, 06:49 AM

increased length is more tha likely the reason for improved torque profile. the heat reduction of the air charge is going to help you maintain (probably even gain) hp.

chevy 3 · 12-22-2011, 06:57 AM

All I can say is I WANT ONE!!!!!

Mach · 12-22-2011, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmwdon

increased length is more tha likely the reason for improved torque profile. the heat reduction of the air charge is going to help you maintain (probably even gain) hp.

Exactly.. That's why I think that mace's 25mm insulator (1inch) will yield much better results then tracy's 3/8 inch.

Ventmaster · 12-22-2011, 11:56 AM

And Tracy's full plate may conduct more heat to the IM.

Of course I might be thinking that cause I just ordered a Mace 25mm (Merry Christmas to me!!!

)

I'm sure the last word on this will be some time to come.

OP please keep us posted on any "post-tune" results and thanks again.

gjarzabek009 · 12-22-2011, 12:25 PM

How hard is it to install one of these?

cntryman77 · 12-22-2011, 12:33 PM

just a thought, has anyone tried to contact Steve at Vararam & see what they think the options would be with moding the intake to fit with the 25mm insulator? might be worth a shot to get his opinion

hapisok · 12-22-2011, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventmaster

And Tracy's full plate may conduct more heat to the IM.

Of course I might be thinking that cause I just ordered a Mace 25mm (Merry Christmas to me!!!

)

I'm sure the last word on this will be some time to come.

OP please keep us posted on any "post-tune" results and thanks again.

for sure! you won't be disappointed, its a seat of the pants difference. im back on E85 and getting the ECU settled in. hope to have it on the dyno after the first of the year. then i'll make the switch back to 93 octane and have vince take a look at it, unless you get to it before me

hapisok · 12-22-2011, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gjarzabek009

How hard is it to install one of these?

not difficult at all. just takes a little patience and attention to detail when assembling.

bmorecam · 12-22-2011, 01:56 PM

The runner length play a vital role in creating a torquey power band in the low to mid rpm. Some cars come with variable intake manifold that has a short and long side where a valve will open and close according to the rpm in maximizing low and high end power. Too long of a runner and you can kill the top end, too short and you can kill the lows. I think we can go even higher before worrying about the top end but 25mm seem to be the highest we can go within the stock enviroment. This mod can definitely be considered a bang for the buck poster child.

Mach · 12-23-2011, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmorecam

The runner length play a vital role in creating a torquey power band in the low to mid rpm. Some cars come with variable intake manifold that has a short and long side where a valve will open and close according to the rpm in maximizing low and high end power. Too long of a runner and you can kill the top end, too short and you can kill the lows. I think we can go even higher before worrying about the top end but 25mm seem to be the highest we can go within the stock enviroment. This mod can definitely be considered a bang for the buck poster child.

puertoricanfont · 12-23-2011, 03:46 PM

Dumb question. But what is the role of the insulators? Decrease the air temp so thus it increases the hp? I'm i even close? lol.

Mach · 12-23-2011, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puertoricanfont

Dumb question. But what is the role of the insulators? Decrease the air temp so thus it increases the hp? I'm i even close? lol.

Kinda close... The majority of the TQ and HP bump comes from the increased runner length. Longer length makes more TQ at lower rpms. The heat isolation factor is a small portion of the hp bump.

Mach · 12-23-2011, 04:16 PM

This is a great mod. Good TQ increase throughout the normal driving rpm range. The car will feel like its much lighter. What I don't like is the sudden drop off past 6300rpm. I wonder if Trifecta can tune that away.

puertoricanfont · 12-23-2011, 05:13 PM

thanks mach. This also helped me answer my other questions.
http://www.underhoodservice.com/Arti...ine_power.aspx

12-22-2011, 06:49 AM	#71
bmwdon I refuse to go smurfy Drives: 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 1,311	increased length is more tha likely the reason for improved torque profile. the heat reduction of the air charge is going to help you maintain (probably even gain) hp. __________________ -Bill...the Camaro was my wifes, now she's got a minivan Challenger- 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Procharger D1 Supercharger: 10.895 @ 126.720 MPH

12-22-2011, 11:56 AM	#74
Ventmaster Drives: 2017 1SS 6spd Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Utah Posts: 3,024	And Tracy's full plate may conduct more heat to the IM. Of course I might be thinking that cause I just ordered a Mace 25mm (Merry Christmas to me!!!) I'm sure the last word on this will be some time to come. OP please keep us posted on any "post-tune" results and thanks again.

12-22-2011, 12:25 PM	#75
gjarzabek009 Drives: 1LT Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 954	How hard is it to install one of these? __________________ -21" GM wheels -3.73 gears -Injen PowerFlow CAI -OBX LT headers -Doug Thorley Catback exhaust -Magnaflow High Flow cats -Trifecta Tune -VMAX Ported TB -Maces 25mm Insulator -Ported Intake manifolds (soon)

12-22-2011, 12:33 PM	#76
cntryman77 Drives: 2010 Camaro LS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newton Falls, OH Posts: 1,092	just a thought, has anyone tried to contact Steve at Vararam & see what they think the options would be with moding the intake to fit with the 25mm insulator? might be worth a shot to get his opinion __________________ My build thread: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126631

12-23-2011, 04:16 PM	#83
Mach Drives: White M6 1LT RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canton, MI Posts: 1,676	This is a great mod. Good TQ increase throughout the normal driving rpm range. The car will feel like its much lighter. What I don't like is the sudden drop off past 6300rpm. I wonder if Trifecta can tune that away. __________________ Pfadt Sway Bars - FE3 Suspension - Barton Shifter - IdealG's Clutch Master Cylinder - Trifecta - Vmax TB - Vararam Intake - MACE 25mm Insulator - Plenum Insulator - Ported/Gasket Matched Intake Manifold - Rx Catchcan - AAC DRL's - 4 Pack Aux Gauges - Steering Controls - AAC Afterburners - DIY Led Sidemarkers - ZL1 Front End Next mod: Done!

12-22-2011, 06:57 AM	#72
chevy 3 NEcamaro5 Drives: Black 2ss rs 1LE Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: mass Posts: 4,329 View My Garage	All I can say is I WANT ONE!!!!!

12-22-2011, 01:56 PM	#79
bmorecam Account Suspended Drives: jealous vendors mad!! HAHA!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CYBERGMONSTER@GMAIL.COM Posts: 3,658 View My Garage	The runner length play a vital role in creating a torquey power band in the low to mid rpm. Some cars come with variable intake manifold that has a short and long side where a valve will open and close according to the rpm in maximizing low and high end power. Too long of a runner and you can kill the top end, too short and you can kill the lows. I think we can go even higher before worrying about the top end but 25mm seem to be the highest we can go within the stock enviroment. This mod can definitely be considered a bang for the buck poster child.

12-23-2011, 03:46 PM	#81
puertoricanfont Drives: 2016 Camaro 2ss Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,623	Dumb question. But what is the role of the insulators? Decrease the air temp so thus it increases the hp? I'm i even close? lol.

12-23-2011, 05:13 PM	#84
puertoricanfont Drives: 2016 Camaro 2ss Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,623	thanks mach. This also helped me answer my other questions. http://www.underhoodservice.com/Arti...ine_power.aspx

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