New set 2009 Camaro spyshots from Sweden winter wonderland

[cz]

just wondering does anyone know what the real headlight are gonna look like?

[radz28]

Nope. Father has stated that we will get something really cool so I know I'm in suspense. The only thing we know is that they have not been photographed and leaked onto the web yet.

I'm hoping for the halos or something really close to the Concept.

[cz]

thanks

[radz28]

LOL; in case you haven't noticed, don't ask about the headlights that have been seen and don't ask about the fuel filler door. The filler door looks to be on the passengers side on the side of the quarter panel; not on the top. I think if you remember these points, you'll be just fine. These topics have been regergitated numerous times only to get Father all worked-up.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by radz282003

LOL; in case you haven't noticed, don't ask about the headlights that have been seen and don't ask about the fuel filler door. The filler door looks to be on the passengers side on the side of the quarter panel; not on the top. I think if you remember these points, you'll be just fine. These topics have been regergitated numerous times only to get Father all worked-up.

Don't...not ask about them Just don't make a huge deal about it. Like this last question about them. excellently handled, btw.

[Scotsman]

I just noticed this, but the fog-lights are freak'n huge!

[radz28]

Good, I say. The last generation were dang near worthless for me.

[WCFB-Russ]

regardless of what everyone has seen - the fuel filler door location has *not* been established by anyone as being on the side - its just what we have seen from the "uncovered" photos and what most people have decided they will "accept".

I for one think that Scott still has something up his sleeve in terms of that and what we will see will make us very happy. I asked scott personally about this fact and he could NOT tell me anything (of course) but mentioned that "remember its a global platform". And my wonderful design/engineering (or lack thereof) common sense tells me that the most acceptable "global" location might be something similar to the 1969 Camaro's fuel filler door location...

We'll just have to wait and see. Honestly I have been "keeping the faith" since before the pics leaked out (before the concept was unveiled) and will continue to do so. Scott / GM haven't let me down on this concept yet and I'm not expecting them to because I think this time they did it right. They seem to be listening to the community A LOT MORE than they did in the past - and I think it's because we've shown that we are a huge driving force.

That being said - I still think that talking about the headlights or the fuel filler door might be a moot point because heres something to tihnk about:

GM will build the test mules using as LITTLE production parts as possible. Yes they will build the body panels and the like, but you have to remember that most "prototypes" are cobbled together from pieces laying around the warehouses that resemble parts that may or may not be on the final model.

Therefore the "white" camaro that we've all seen in pics could just be a Malibu with camaro body panels tossed on it to make us happy and make us believe that Bob Lutz did indeed "take the camo" off to make us enthusiasts happy. The white Camaro's that came into LA (LAX pics) look a lot different (taller) than the picture of the camaro sitting next to the truck in sweden - just think about that. And the pic from detriot looks a lot "wider" in the haunches than the one from sweden as well.

Think about this carefully before we continue barking about the headlight look or the fuel filler door location. Most of the time the car manufacturers camoflauge their test mules because they arent testing aerodynamics (this is done in a wind tunnel) - but rather they are used to see how the motor and transmission combinations work and how the car functions roughly overall (not the final thing tho).

anyway..just some thoughts...

[unkbd]

Sorry to burst your bubble Black34v6, but not only has it been stated by two of the persons in the know that the sheet metal has been finalized(which includes the gas door location). And having had some experience in the production of vehicles for some years now I can tell you that to change the sheet metal at this point in the game would be very expensive and done only if the current sheet metal made the production of the vehicle impossible for some reason, and if the design team hasn't worked out those problems yet there is no way we'll see a production car in Nov.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Global Car = Passenger side gas cap. Almost every other country has passenger gas cap. So a global platform would be set up to do just that, not cater to the US. Perhaps he just didn't want to get into a potential argument over it....

[Omega94]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Global Car = Passenger side gas cap. Almost every other country has passenger gas cap. So a global platform would be set up to do just that, not cater to the US. Perhaps he just didn't want to get into a potential argument over it....

+1...Plus, the shots of the Camaro without camo look like they have identical proportions to the shots WITH camo. SO, my question is this...why would GM go to the trouble to take Malibu underpinnings...and slap Camaro sheet metal on them...just to appease us enthusiasts? I'm sorry, but 2 things: 1. That would require too much time and money...even if those parts are "laying around" and 2. I don't see GM employees getting paid to sit around the office trying to think of how to trick us...it's just not feasible.

[WCFB-Russ]

Originally Posted by unkbd

Sorry to burst your bubble Black34v6, but not only has it been stated by two of the persons in the know that the sheet metal has been finalized(which includes the gas door location). And having had some experience in the production of vehicles for some years now I can tell you that to change the sheet metal at this point in the game would be very expensive and done only if the current sheet metal made the production of the vehicle impossible for some reason, and if the design team hasn't worked out those problems yet there is no way we'll see a production car in Nov.

i haven't seen it been stated by two persons in the know. please reference posts...

and im not trying to call anyone out -- just stating something to think about. if you dont agree that is your perogative but you dont have to tell me that im wrong just cause two people who say that they are "in the know" - say something on this message board.

I could work at GM for all you know. I mean who knows - without proof (even fbodfather, we just trust that its really him) we don't know who anyone is on this or any message board and it's really hard to take anyone's word at face value. until i see the production car sitting on the dealer floor, with the gas cap on the passenger side, i really dont think they intend to put it there for the american release.

** This does not mean I am not wrong **

they could be doing that for all i know. but i have seen it before where the gas door is on different sides depending on what part of the world you are in (on older cars). maybe they dont want to make that kind of expense, maybe they do.

it would be a lot easier to handle if the people trying to "correct" my thinking (and who are you to correct me anyway?) did it with a little less attitude and a little less "i know better than you do".

all i was doing was trying to present some thoughts and make people think a little deeper about the direction they are going to go in.

if you are all resigned to "this is the way the prod car is gonna be" then GM will build it with the gas cap on the passenger side and with the god aweful headlights and without anything that made the car cool in the concept phase. cause they will go their own direction if you dont provide feedback and steer them the right way...

just something *else* to think about.

guess im done here.

[djthecop]

it's ok...........

[Omega94]

Originally Posted by black34v6

i haven't seen it been stated by two persons in the know. please reference posts...

and im not trying to call anyone out -- just stating something to think about. if you dont agree that is your perogative but you dont have to tell me that im wrong just cause two people who say that they are "in the know" - say something on this message board.

I could work at GM for all you know. I mean who knows - without proof (even fbodfather, we just trust that its really him) we don't know who anyone is on this or any message board and it's really hard to take anyone's word at face value. until i see the production car sitting on the dealer floor, with the gas cap on the passenger side, i really dont think they intend to put it there for the american release.

** This does not mean I am not wrong **

they could be doing that for all i know. but i have seen it before where the gas door is on different sides depending on what part of the world you are in (on older cars). maybe they dont want to make that kind of expense, maybe they do.

it would be a lot easier to handle if the people trying to "correct" my thinking (and who are you to correct me anyway?) did it with a little less attitude and a little less "i know better than you do".

all i was doing was trying to present some thoughts and make people think a little deeper about the direction they are going to go in.

if you are all resigned to "this is the way the prod car is gonna be" then GM will build it with the gas cap on the passenger side and with the god aweful headlights and without anything that made the car cool in the concept phase. cause they will go their own direction if you dont provide feedback and steer them the right way...

just something *else* to think about.

guess im done here.

If I disrespected you, I apologize...I tried to say my piece with as much respect as I could...so if I disrespected you, I'm sorry!

However, on the fbodfather note...he is DEFINITELY real...I've met him...just fyi.