Shno's House of Z

[Fightinfire921]

Look who showed up last week. Seven months with two lower teeth showing.....

[Fightinfire921]

Look no bowtie.......

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

No extra weight over the nose please.....

Centrifugal FI adds about 75 pounds.

Ok then, smaller, lighter motor running turbos in the back. 50-50.

But GM would not build that, all that plumbing. The modern trend is smaller motors and FI. Less weight overall, better on gas. FI puts the fun back in. I would think there are at least Corvettes running around following this formula if not Camaros.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

When you "compress" anything...air, for instance...you also HEAT it. To dissipate the heat, you need increased/enhanced cooling, be it air-to-air, air-to-water, water-to-air etc. To increase cooling capacity, you need bigger/heavier/co$tlier cooling components...which add weight, and complexity, and expen$e.

There was a significant number of "Hoorays!!" when the ZL1 name was adopted, and the Z28 name was NOT. And (witness the Z28 Section's sustained postings) there was/is a sustained desire, unrequited, for a "true" _ / _ _ Something with a touch more "hot sauce" underhood than the SS/1LE...just like the Gen-1 _ / _ _ offered more than the "regular" SS.

"Light-as-likely", fully able to carve canyons with the very best 4-seaters out there...

I was one of the original horrayers on the name change. The Z28 name would have been like a basketball. GM listened to us. So now they are saving the name for something good. It might be while before we see it.

Heat exchange does add weight, it is not of the boat anchor category. Smaller lighter engines with FI can do the job on the big end. And this arrangement is less taxing on the drive train with less torque so a huge beefing up is not needed. So exemplary corner carving is quite possible.

While HP Camaros will be headed in this direction sooner or later, I know it will not be tomorrow. I do think this future vision can produce a car very true to the name.

And I agree with the desire for simplicity. But it is way too late for that. Even without FI Camaros are fairly complex. And the other thing that has happened is that manufacturers like GM have to be able to build reliable FI cars to be able to stay in business. And they can.

But say they do build one version or the other. How many owners will ever drive their car to its full potential or even be capable of that? That has me thinking.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

....here's mine.....moaaarrrr that is.....

Nice!

Originally Posted by Gramps69Z

Look who showed up last week. Seven months with two lower teeth showing.....

Nice!!

Originally Posted by Gramps69Z

Look no bowtie.......

annnnnd Nice!!!

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Nice!



Nice!!



annnnnd Nice!!!

I'll second, second & second that!

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

I was one of the original horrayers on the name change. The Z28 name would have been like a basketball. GM listened to us. So now they are saving the name for something good. It might be while before we see it.

Heat exchange does add weight, it is not of the boat anchor category. Smaller lighter engines with FI can do the job on the big end. And this arrangement is less taxing on the drive train with less torque so a huge beefing up is not needed. So exemplary corner carving is quite possible.

While HP Camaros will be headed in this direction sooner or later, I know it will not be tomorrow. I do think this future vision can produce a car very true to the name.

And I agree with the desire for simplicity. But it is way too late for that. Even without FI Camaros are fairly complex. And the other thing that has happened is that manufacturers like GM have to be able to build reliable FI cars to be able to stay in business. And they can.

But say they do build one version or the other. How many owners will ever drive their car to its full potential or even be capable of that? That has me thinking.

In making it as simple as possible just look at the 1Gen Z28. High Revving SB (LS7), Better Brakes (ZL1 Brakes), Aero Package (ZL1 Aero+Hot Wheels Hood), HD Manual (ZL1 Manual), Stronger Rear End (1LE), Wheels & Tires (ZL1) & Track Suspension (FE4+Pedders). PLUG N' PLAY. If I missed anything please let me know.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

... with that in mind I see the LS7 as the only logical remaining choice for a fifth gen. Z/28. Yes it's a 427 (albeit an SBC version), but given that there is no smaller displacement/higher revving engine currently available, I think it is the only choice.

BTW, ZEE-lievers, you'll note the COPO's LS7 is wet-sumped...so Wixom knows how... Which means much simpler packaging...

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

BTW, ZEE-lievers, you'll note the COPO's LS7 is wet-sumped...so Wixom knows how... Which means much simpler packaging...

Good news!

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

BTW, ZEE-lievers, you'll note the COPO's LS7 is wet-sumped...so Wixom knows how... Which means much simpler packaging...

Maybe the 1LE is a proof of concept for the soon to be announced Z28.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Maybe the 1LE is a proof of concept for the soon to be announced Z28.

I believe that's why it is an option on the SS and not it's own trim-line. Notice that Camaro has been following the Mustang, which is good. They have proven packages: V6, GT, GT Track Pack, Boss, Boss LS & GT500. V6, SS, SS/1LE, ? & ZL1. Notice the missing trim package?











"Z28"

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I believe that's why it is an option on the SS and not it's own trim-line. Notice that Camaro has been following the Mustang, which is good. They have proven packages: V6, GT, GT Track Pack, Boss, Boss LS & GT500. V6, SS, SS/1LE, ? & ZL1. Notice the missing trim package?


"Z28"

The only Mustang that doesn't have a Camaro counterpart is the BOSS. So a NA high power V8 built for the track seems like it would fit. That being the Z28.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

BTW, ZEE-lievers, you'll note the COPO's LS7 is wet-sumped...so Wixom knows how... Which means much simpler packaging...

With the sustained high Gs we see on road courses the dry sump would be more suited to the Z/28, especially with a ZL1 cooled differential. We can hide the tank in the right rear behind the tail light behind a felt wrapper.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

With the sustained high Gs we see on road courses the dry sump would be more suited to the Z/28, especially with a ZL1 cooled differential. We can hide the tank in the right rear behind the tail light behind a felt wrapper.

The 1LE didn't get a dry sump system.