RIP 2012 ZL1 #1635

[CAP'N B]

I've scanned a lot and I've read a lot, everyone keeps after the dealer, but they not saying much about the employee. He is still responsible for his actions, he drove the car outside of the scope of his employment, therefore he should have to pay restitution to the owner, he would probably have to be sued, but a court order garnishing his wages would be a good probability. If he has to go to court for his crime the judge should order restitution to the car owner.

[habunow1]

Speaking from experience we have a judgement 8 years ago and to this day we have never seen a penny.

Originally Posted by CAP'N B

I've scanned a lot and I've read a lot, everyone keeps after the dealer, but they not saying much about the employee. He is still responsible for his actions, he drove the car outside of the scope of his employment, therefore he should have to pay restitution to the owner, he would probably have to be sued, but a court order garnishing his wages would be a good probability. If he has to go to court for his crime the judge should order restitution to the car owner.

[436SS]

Originally Posted by CAP'N B

I've scanned a lot and I've read a lot, everyone keeps after the dealer, but they not saying much about the employee. He is still responsible for his actions, he drove the car outside of the scope of his employment, therefore he should have to pay restitution to the owner, he would probably have to be sued, but a court order garnishing his wages would be a good probability. If he has to go to court for his crime the judge should order restitution to the car owner.

Suing the guy who took the car probably wont go far. If he knew in advanced his wages were going to be garnished; you think he will be in a hurry to find employment?

[rraff]

Do not know you sir or your wife. Read your story and am beside my self. What is going on in that state any way. I'm here in S. Orygone. I have this story in the hands of National Talk Show Host, (and yes I have been to his house for dinner.) Let's just hope that his producers find it "Air Worthy" Beyond that point I have, and will continue to call the Dealership Until I get a response. Tomorrow: Monday morning I'm starting with GM in Detroit. If we would all do the same You should be covered in no time. Your Insurance has as much to do with this situation as the price of milk in Mexico City. It is an Internet world, this little Dealer needs to find that out.

If you wish to reply please send a PM. I M a DODGE / Benz Person & will not monitor.

Don't get me wrong I Loved My 76 Monte Carlo, the 89 S-10 POS!.

[436SS]

Originally Posted by Barry2424

New member to this Forum. I have read this thread start to finish. I owned a 1965 & 1970 GTO. When GM shot down Pontiac in favor of Buick, I lost faith with their treatment of loyal customers. I have been waiting for 3 years to get my hands on the ZL1 Camaro Convertible of my dreams. I didn't care how much it cost, I just wanted it to be perfect and stay that way. Because of this story and GM's lack of effort to do something I will find a different car. Maybe a Challenger if I can find a good dealer in Tampa, Florida.

Do what makes you happy; besides, it's the dealers responsibility to make the OP whole, not GM. GM is a major corporation. If they are doing something about it, what makes you think they would expose their role in a open forum like this? Just because you don't see/hear of their involvement doesn't mean they aren't at the table.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by Barry2424

New member to this Forum. I have read this thread start to finish. I owned a 1965 & 1970 GTO. When GM shot down Pontiac in favor of Buick, I lost faith with their treatment of loyal customers. I have been waiting for 3 years to get my hands on the ZL1 Camaro Convertible of my dreams. I didn't care how much it cost, I just wanted it to be perfect and stay that way. Because of this story and GM's lack of effort to do something I will find a different car. Maybe a Challenger if I can find a good dealer in Tampa, Florida.

You must have missed a few posts that stated GM is aware of the situation and I'm sure they are doing what they can to help resolve this situation. See post #933.

[Est.July.4.1776]

Originally Posted by 436SS

Suing the guy who took the car probably wont go far. If he knew in advanced his wages were going to be garnished; you think he will be in a hurry to find employment?

Can't shake employment forever...

[CAP'N B]

Originally Posted by habunow1

Speaking from experience we have a judgement 8 years ago and to this day we have never seen a penny.

Wow that is really bad, sorry to hear that, seems there would be something they could do

[CAP'N B]

Originally Posted by 436SS

Suing the guy who took the car probably wont go far. If he knew in advanced his wages were going to be garnished; you think he will be in a hurry to find employment?

I couldn't live like that, I'm not a bum, so I would have it taken care of as soon as I could so I could continue with my life and not have that hanging over my head and holding me back from the finer things in life. Like MY CAMARO

[rraff]

You must have missed a few posts that stated GM is aware of the situation and I'm sure they are doing what they can to help resolve this situation. See post #933.

Dealer Pays GM for the Right To Sell Their Product

GM Pays Dealer For Warranty Work

Do any of you really believe it takes 3.8 hours to replace a headlight switch, and that turns into all day for Us a Working Folks!

[RubyCamaro]

Absolutely! EVERYONE is very lucky that there was no loss of life. That was a blessing, perhaps a miracle. If there had been do you think for one second that a good atty would not have included that dealership in the lawsuit that would have followed. Ponder that for a moment. Yea, they are just cars and can be replaced. Definately worth keeping in perspective. But the dealership is in a customer service business. If they want people to entrust them with their cars, those customers need to feel confident they are handling those cars with great respect & care and that they will deal with any damage that is caused to them while in their care.

At this point, I am not worried. I think the OP is going to be fine.

[BlemsBumble]

Originally Posted by Barry2424

New member to this Forum. I have read this thread start to finish. I owned a 1965 & 1970 GTO. When GM shot down Pontiac in favor of Buick, I lost faith with their treatment of loyal customers. I have been waiting for 3 years to get my hands on the ZL1 Camaro Convertible of my dreams. I didn't care how much it cost, I just wanted it to be perfect and stay that way. Because of this story and GM's lack of effort to do something I will find a different car. Maybe a Challenger if I can find a good dealer in Tampa, Florida.

Over this? You can't be serious.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by oldfriend

How so ,,,more for you to keep ,,,,
If you have enough traffic and you have a good opportunity to grow your business , hire the right people , and keep tabs at all times

Don't do like the Postoffice ,,,,,,cut delivery days to save more money , better close even more days, to save even more money .
But you have to know your business way more than us in here .

Of course I wouldn't. But there are positions that are there for convenience and to just make an owners job easier. I'll do as much of that as I can rather than hire. When it get's overwhelming I'll have my kids help out. THEN I'll hire only when I have to. OR hire someone I know already.

The post office operates in the red.

Originally Posted by Padre

That, or take a class in Risk Management 101 and ignore PQ's rant.

Padre

What type of Risk Management might you be talking about? If I bring you item x worth 100.00 and you ruin it you are liable in court for 200.00?

What the heck kind of business do you run? (other than the church)

What I posted was a sarcastic joke of course but 'Risk Management' does NOT stop something like this from happening. What you are REALLY talking about is to put it in the budget for a rainy day after you do what you can to prevent it from an SOP standpoint.

Doing the right thing is easy for a business most of the time. Some choose NOT to. You'd have that choice taken away from them. And that's your philosophy, I can not say it's the wrong one cause it's yours. Mine is MUCH different.

This dealership is on the legal hook to replace this guys car for it's value. I'm with you on that. (if they actually did give the guy a key to go get his phone)

But anything above that should be the dealers choice. PERIOD. We should never be FORCED to do 'the right' thing. I just marvel at how everyone thinks that they should be able to dictate what's right according to them.

But I'm curious what type of Risk Management you think would keep these wolves from asking way more than the value? If you think you can prevent these things from happening all together then you've never owned a real business. Not for any amount of time anyway.

It's interesting to watch how people act with other peoples money. If it doesn't affect you then you don't care. And that's fine, that's your choice. But to punish someone for something they did not intend is typical of todays mindset.

I have no doubt that you'd still be on a jury and make this guy buy a new car even if it were a fire or unavoidable incident so it's really semantics.

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by CAP'N B

I've scanned a lot and I've read a lot, everyone keeps after the dealer, but they not saying much about the employee. He is still responsible for his actions, he drove the car outside of the scope of his employment, therefore he should have to pay restitution to the owner, he would probably have to be sued, but a court order garnishing his wages would be a good probability. If he has to go to court for his crime the judge should order restitution to the car owner.

The OP left his car at the dealer for service , it is the responsibility off the dealer to keep their customers propriety safe and secured while on their shop.
Just explain to me if the guy had stole the car , and had never been nabbed , the OP will get nothing back right
Assuming that the OP didn't have his insurance policy valid for stolen propriety ?
Are you sure you want this to happen to you next time you take you car in for service ?