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BMR Sales · 09-01-2015, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by brt3

There's one big reason why the PCCBs wear so quickly -- bad drivers. Now, I'm not saying that Porsche drivers are any better or worse than Z/28 drivers, that's NOT my point. What happens is that the Porsche uses the brakes as to help rotate the car. It's a sophisticated system that makes the rear-drive car unable to kill drivers who are over-driving the car.

This was driven home brutally hard a few months back. A friend showed up at an HPDE with the latest/greatest GT3. Seriously, these are beautiful, and it had all the good stuff. He asked if I wanted to go for a ride, and though I generally don't like being a passenger if the driver's not a Pro, I thought, "Why not?".

Huge mistake. I've never been carsick since I was age 6 (and the milk I thought tasted funny proved to be bad) but this was awful. It took every ounce of willpower and controlled breathing to not vomit inside my helmet. The guy was brutal -- absolutely BRUTAL -- with the controls. The opposite of smooth and incredibly abrupt.

My point is this -- in 911s of old, he would have been dead. I'll check back with him to see how quickly his pads wear out, but that car was correcting his mistakes for at least 75% of every lap.

I love the CC brakes on the Z/28, and they are a huge reason for the lap times the car posts. I can't believe how the car gobbles up smaller, lighter cars in the braking zones.

I don't think you can contribute all that to the PCCB's. The Porsche is so Computerized that it takes over. I've been Instructing for PCA forever and when the 1st 911 showed up with all the Computers, I was amazed my Student wasn't crashing due to his bad driving. He thought he was the next F-1 Champ and I thought he was the worst Driver of the last 25 Years!

Dr Chill · 09-01-2015, 08:24 PM

After years of Corvettes and many track days, I chose a 15 Z/28 over a C7 Z06 after seeing them next to each other at the Miami auto show. I've been parking next to my neighbor's red C7 Z06 now for quite some time, and am convinced I made the right decision. Getting the car for under $54,000 new makes my red A/C car that much more sweet.

I drive it 50% of the time and 20" 285/35 series tires make it a much smoother street driver. I can honestly say that the Z/28 is the most fun car that I have owned in 35 years. And in the last 5 years alone I've had a C63, Porsche Turbo, a track prepped Cayman S, and a 600hp LS3 based GTO.

People are reluctant to pull the trigger for a $70000+ Camaro, as was I, but at around $60,000 it cannot be beat. The idea that it isn't good to drive on the street is a complete misconception but I'm sure that also hurt sales.

CamaroRS/SS10 · 09-01-2015, 09:13 PM

What color? AC?

joeybsyc · 09-01-2015, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ClawSS

I think that the Camaro should be just a base with check boxes. Any engine that is engineered to fit, with the suspension that you want. Secondly, you can uncheck anything you don't, like radio, a/c, p/s, carpet...etc.

I am not a industrial engineer, but the Zeta is very accommodating and don't the same lines all build the cars? If a guy wants Recaros in his LS from factory, then let him.

All of a sudden you are the guy selling the LS/LT/SS/LE/ZL/28

Totally agree with this. Let the customer decide what they want and don't want.

serviceguy · 09-01-2015, 09:37 PM

I'm glad it wasn't a "sales" hit ! .....I love the exclusivity.

G6Flyer · 09-01-2015, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by serviceguy

I'm glad it wasn't a "sales" hit ! .....I love the exclusivity.

^^This^^

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DDoug · 09-01-2015, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bptman

The dealers I have talked to lately are offering 5k below msrp at times and that is it.
And for someone looking for the AGM I saw one at Townsend Chevrolet just below Dover Delaware. And it is sitting outside I drove past it on 8/28/15. With the current
market condition many of us are more concerned with investment holdings taking a dive. It ain't good right now.

I was at a dealer Saturday here in MI. Saw the same thing. They had an AGM w/air. What I want. Offering $74K w/6% sales tax. No thanks. My ZL1 and $30K doesn't sound like a deal to me.

ZL1-V · 09-01-2015, 11:49 PM

It happens to be in black also! If I hadn't put time, research, and money into my ZL1 with suspension and CCB upgrades I would definitely have thought more about buying one if it was in the high 60 ish range. I can understand why you happy Z/28 owners like the CCB system. It is phenomenal! I had to build my own kit since GM dropped the idea for the ZL1. Now if I can just adapt the DSSV shocks.

Jeb114 · 09-02-2015, 11:34 AM

It seems no one is buying Camaro's GM just released the 2015 Forecast and Camaro took a big hit. There are going to be some serious deals out there.

Excerpt:The best-selling vehicle in the month was the Chevy Silverado pickup, which saw a year-over-year sales gain of 11.7% to 54,977 units. The GMC Sierra pickups posted a gain of 7% in August and the Acadia sport utility vehicle saw a sales gain of 10.2% to 9,050 units in August.

Cadillac retail sales slipped 9.4%, following a 7.1% decrease in July. For the year to date, total Cadillac sales are down 2.8% and retail sales are down 5%.

Total Chevrolet deliveries in August were down 1.5% year over year. Sales of Camaro fell 23.3% year over year and Cruze sales were down 37.4%

lbls1 · 09-02-2015, 01:45 PM

^The camaro sales decline is easy to see; Chevy is releasing their 6th generation later this year so everyone is waiting for it.

The Pick-Up sales increase is also easy to believe, in that the new updated designs are more attractive than the previous ones, especially with the Sierra.

el ess A · 09-02-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lbls1

^The camaro sales decline is easy to see; Chevy is releasing their 6th generation later this year so everyone is waiting for it.

I disagree. Not EVERYONE is waiting for it. 6 years ago I'd have agreed, but not now.

Red2014SS · 09-02-2015, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lbls1

^The camaro sales decline is easy to see; Chevy is releasing their 6th generation later this year so everyone is waiting for it.

The Pick-Up sales increase is also easy to believe, in that the new updated designs are more attractive than the previous ones, especially with the Sierra.

I disagree also.... Go visit your local Chevy dealer and walk up to random customers. Ask them if they know anything about the 2016 Camaro. I would bet that you cannot find one random person who even knows there is a new model coming out.

Us guys on this forum are people who love Camaros. We are car guys, so we keep up with this stuff. The average Joe on the street has no idea. Like El Ess A said, six years ago things were different. The Camaro was brand new and getting a ton of press. It was coming back after a long time of being out of production. That's not true now.

I think the sales drop is partially due to the fact that GM never advertises the Camaro any more. Meanwhile, Ford has the new Mustang commercials on all the time.

lbls1 · 09-02-2015, 04:44 PM

^Enough people are waiting for the 6th generation that would cause a noticeable decline in 2015 sales. Evidence enough for me.

I don't think the decline is due to advertising or lack of it. The 5th gen is a very popular edition, and folks have seen plenty of camaros in magazine advertisements as well as through the media.

We are 5th generation fans (myself included), but you must consider a legion of people that Chevy is marketing the camaro for, not just for the diehard enthusiast.

As it stands, I think its safe to say that '15 will end up being a down year for the 5th gen.

Bigtime53 · 09-02-2015, 08:08 PM

I have been surfin around the net today and I am seeing dealers marking these cars down in the 50's and I just can't believe they are doing this. It sure hurts me to see this when I gave in the 70's for mine. It really does not pay to buy cars like this when they first come out with them. I bought a 1990 454 SS truck new when they came out and they were supposed to be a limited number of them built. I paid sticker for it to just get one then GM decided to build more because the demand was high for them so there went the price down on those just like these Z/28's. I said I would never do that again and I did with this car. I promise I will never do it again. Patience is what it takes and I think there is a bunch of buyers out there just waiting to see how low these cars will go then when the bottom is there I think the dealers will sale out of the car.

09-01-2015, 08:24 PM	#58
Dr Chill Drives: 2015 Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: FL Posts: 158	After years of Corvettes and many track days, I chose a 15 Z/28 over a C7 Z06 after seeing them next to each other at the Miami auto show. I've been parking next to my neighbor's red C7 Z06 now for quite some time, and am convinced I made the right decision. Getting the car for under $54,000 new makes my red A/C car that much more sweet. I drive it 50% of the time and 20" 285/35 series tires make it a much smoother street driver. I can honestly say that the Z/28 is the most fun car that I have owned in 35 years. And in the last 5 years alone I've had a C63, Porsche Turbo, a track prepped Cayman S, and a 600hp LS3 based GTO. People are reluctant to pull the trigger for a $70000+ Camaro, as was I, but at around $60,000 it cannot be beat. The idea that it isn't good to drive on the street is a complete misconception but I'm sure that also hurt sales. __________________ 2015 Z/28 2020 Taycan 4S 2006 911 C4S Cab 2009 911 Turbo Cab

09-01-2015, 09:13 PM	#59
CamaroRS/SS10 Drives: '13 Hot Wheels & '14 Z/28 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 288 View My Garage	What color? AC? __________________ 2013 Hot Wheels Camaro #63 SS 6-Speed. All stock and keeping it that way. 2014 Z/28 #119 A/C car(not by choice, ordered wrong) All stock and plan to keep it that way. The kid in me wants to mod the Hell out of it but the adult says it will be worth more years down the road. The 2 of them need to stop fighting! 1983 Chevrolet C10 lowered and restoring. 1986 Chevrolet K10 6 in lift, 35's,restored daily driver for my son. 2013 Hot Wheels Camaro. Life Size Toy.. 2014 Z/28 my weekend stress reliever! 2015 Checy Sonic RS 2015 Chevy Equinox

09-01-2015, 11:49 PM	#64
ZL1-V Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2,154	There's one at my local dealer. It happens to be in black also! If I hadn't put time, research, and money into my ZL1 with suspension and CCB upgrades I would definitely have thought more about buying one if it was in the high 60 ish range. I can understand why you happy Z/28 owners like the CCB system. It is phenomenal! I had to build my own kit since GM dropped the idea for the ZL1. Now if I can just adapt the DSSV shocks.

09-02-2015, 01:45 PM	#66
lbls1 Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 4,073	^The camaro sales decline is easy to see; Chevy is releasing their 6th generation later this year so everyone is waiting for it. The Pick-Up sales increase is also easy to believe, in that the new updated designs are more attractive than the previous ones, especially with the Sierra. __________________ '02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B '08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic '15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo *'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic* '25 Silverado 1500 High Country 6.2L

09-02-2015, 04:44 PM	#69
lbls1 Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 4,073	^Enough people are waiting for the 6th generation that would cause a noticeable decline in 2015 sales. Evidence enough for me. I don't think the decline is due to advertising or lack of it. The 5th gen is a very popular edition, and folks have seen plenty of camaros in magazine advertisements as well as through the media. We are 5th generation fans (myself included), but you must consider a legion of people that Chevy is marketing the camaro for, not just for the diehard enthusiast. As it stands, I think its safe to say that '15 will end up being a down year for the 5th gen. __________________ '02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B '08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic '15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo *'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic* '25 Silverado 1500 High Country 6.2L

09-01-2015, 09:37 PM	#61
serviceguy Drives: 2014 Z/28 # 89, 69 Camaro, 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Flint MI Posts: 669	I'm glad it wasn't a "sales" hit ! .....I love the exclusivity.

09-02-2015, 11:34 AM	#65
Jeb114 Drives: 2021 300 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New Jersey Posts: 968	It seems no one is buying Camaro's GM just released the 2015 Forecast and Camaro took a big hit. There are going to be some serious deals out there. Excerpt:The best-selling vehicle in the month was the Chevy Silverado pickup, which saw a year-over-year sales gain of 11.7% to 54,977 units. The GMC Sierra pickups posted a gain of 7% in August and the Acadia sport utility vehicle saw a sales gain of 10.2% to 9,050 units in August. Cadillac retail sales slipped 9.4%, following a 7.1% decrease in July. For the year to date, total Cadillac sales are down 2.8% and retail sales are down 5%. Total Chevrolet deliveries in August were down 1.5% year over year. Sales of Camaro fell 23.3% year over year and Cruze sales were down 37.4%

09-02-2015, 08:08 PM	#70
Bigtime53 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,326	I have been surfin around the net today and I am seeing dealers marking these cars down in the 50's and I just can't believe they are doing this. It sure hurts me to see this when I gave in the 70's for mine. It really does not pay to buy cars like this when they first come out with them. I bought a 1990 454 SS truck new when they came out and they were supposed to be a limited number of them built. I paid sticker for it to just get one then GM decided to build more because the demand was high for them so there went the price down on those just like these Z/28's. I said I would never do that again and I did with this car. I promise I will never do it again. Patience is what it takes and I think there is a bunch of buyers out there just waiting to see how low these cars will go then when the bottom is there I think the dealers will sale out of the car.