Camaro IN MOTORTREND

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by Omega94

You should check out the dealers thread...good and bad dealers...because you shouldn't settle to pay any mark-up, Scott told us never to pay mark-ups. In fact, he said that there are mark-ups "just say NOOOOO!!!!" $27k sounds nice Also...Z/28 may be wrong... However, 400+ HP is more than enough for me too!

I think that the symbols look really good on the Camaro...but I'm still wishing for GM to incorporate the Camaro symbol into the grill...Maybe it can be an option

One more thing! I'm really REALLY glad that the Camaro is making it into magazines again! (especially Motortrend )

I Personally think the Camaro symbol would look terrible on the outside of this vehicle... now if they put it on the Steering wheel we might have some thing, but i think the Exterior of this car should have either gold or silver Chevy badges (I personally hope gold with silver trim). I say steering wheel and possibly embroidered into the headrests for the Red/White/Blue camaro symbol and put the Chevy symbols on the outside...

[GOT PSI]

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

I Personally think the Camaro symbol would look terrible on the outside of this vehicle... now if they put it on the Steering wheel we might have some thing, but i think the Exterior of this car should have either gold or silver Chevy badges (I personally hope gold with silver trim). I say steering wheel and possibly embroidered into the headrests for the Red/White/Blue camaro symbol and put the Chevy symbols on the outside...

I like your ideas but I would go with solid silver on the bow tie.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by ToneyTone

Your thinking of a time where 300+ hp was only available in a V-8, well times have changed. You now will get the same level of performance and hp but out of a V-6. It not too much to ask for people to pay 32k for a 400+ hp V-8coupe, and 40k for a 550 hp monster. Look what folks got for 35k in the GTO and the camaro is better in all ways. I think its one hell of a bargain

Most paid 29k-31k for a GTO. Maybe a few crazy people paid 35k when the GTOs first came out. But the majority of GTO owners paid right around 30k for their GTOs.
I've owned 2 GTOs (05 M6 GTO - paid 29k new for it) and a 06 A4 GTO (paid 31k for it - and I paid too much).

But I agree with you.

The V8 (400hp) Camaro is going to cost around 30k. The base price will probably be 27k-28k, but with a couple basic options (included on every car) that price will jump to 30-32k or so.

If the 400hp Camaro can be purchased for less than 30k, I will be extremely happy. But I expect to see a price tag of 31-32k on the window when I go shopping next Spring.
The Top of the line Camaro (500+ hp) will definately be over 40K. There's no way GM is going to put the LS7 in a Camaro and sell it for less than 40k. I would guess that the LS7 Camaros will be selling for close to 50k (with mark up) when they first come out.

[Omega94]

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

I Personally think the Camaro symbol would look terrible on the outside of this vehicle... now if they put it on the Steering wheel we might have some thing, but i think the Exterior of this car should have either gold or silver Chevy badges (I personally hope gold with silver trim). I say steering wheel and possibly embroidered into the headrests for the Red/White/Blue camaro symbol and put the Chevy symbols on the outside...

I see what you're saying...and you're probably right...but I'm thinking that if it's the right size...it might look really good. I really like the way the Camaro looks without the anything on the grill, too. So maybe if there are different grill options...we can get it without the Chevy badge. I'm not into gold...and I (just my personal opinion) think that a silver badge would really break up the look of an all black car with say....oooh, gunmetal or black wheels. Now...how about a GUNMETAL Chevy badge??? I could get into that! Or maybe Carbon fiber with silver trim...or gunmetal trim! Just real subtle. I don't know...just throwin' out ideas...

[EllwynX]

Originally Posted by Omega94

I really like the way the Camaro looks without the anything on the grill, too. So maybe if there are different grill options...we can get it without the Chevy badge. I'm not into gold...and I (just my personal opinion) think that a silver badge would really break up the look of an all black car with say....oooh, gunmetal or black wheels. Now...how about a GUNMETAL Chevy badge??? I could get into that! Or maybe Carbon fiber with silver trim...or gunmetal trim! Just real subtle. I don't know...just throwin' out ideas...

I, myself, don't like the grille with nothing in it. But as you said, different grilles can remedy that for those that like it empty.

I'd like to see silver (brushed nickel or shiny) or body-color w/silver outline bowties, personally.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

The V8 (400hp) Camaro is going to cost around 30k. The base price will probably be 27k-28k, but with a couple basic options (included on every car) that price will jump to 30-32k or so.

If the 400hp Camaro can be purchased for less than 30k, I will be extremely happy. But I expect to see a price tag of 31-32k on the window when I go shopping next Spring.

Not if they want to sell against Mustangs...

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

The Top of the line Camaro (500+ hp) will definately be over 40K. There's no way GM is going to put the LS7 in a Camaro and sell it for less than 40k. I would guess that the LS7 Camaros will be selling for close to 50k (with mark up) when they first come out.

Who said LS7?

[The Great KJ]

I would rather have a Z28 instead of an SS anyway but I would rather have the Z28 be the top line performer. Also they MUST have the headlight covers. The grill I've seen with those is truly awesome. On the pricing I agree that over 40K is too much and over a period of 2-3 years in production could that kill the Camaro again? Last comment, on Shelby's locally the dealers have taken the 50K and added 10K to them and its described as Market Value Cost. So again hopefully I don't have to pay 50K+ for a new Camaro because some dealer adds a Market Value price to an already 40K Camaro. I would hate to wait another year to buy the car cheaper.

KJ

[The_Blur]

I'm going to re-re-re-reiterate that not even GM knows what pricing is going to be. Stop speculating! It's gotten out of hand. While we may forgive GM for a $31k Camaro, average buyers will not. GM needs both enthusiasts and average Joes to get this car for it to be profitable. We, as enthusiasts, need average buyers to get this car so that it sells well enough for GM to continue making it. Most people don't care whether the car is made by Chevrolet or Suzuki so long as it drives and features options that are functional or enjoyable for their daily lives. If the primary competition that the Camaro will face is the Mustang, then Chevrolet has to take customers away from Ford to make the sale. That means the options and price tag must be close. Mary Soccer Mom doesn't car about a 300-hp V6, but she does care that she can get her kids to practice using a cool looking car with plenty of cargo room. Homie G doesn't care about weight because he's just going to slap on some 22" DUBs and get his shine on. Eric Ricer can't afford a V8 for his first car, but he can afford a GMPP ground effects kit and an upgraded sound system to show off for his friends. None of these buyers represent the enthusiast. In fact, most car buyers do have pride in their whips, but they don't care that the car is the best in horsepower. The Camaro needs to compete with the Mustang and Charger due to its modern-retro appeal. The Challenger is only competition for tradition, but tradition isn't nearly as important to GM as staying in business. Chevrolet and Pontiac love their traditions in performance and style, but the truth is that GM just wants to sell great cars to their consumers and to their competitors' consumers. Don't expect to see an expensive Camaro at release, and certainly don't expect what's at release to cost significantly more than a Mustang. Remember all those Ford reps on this site. How many of us have owned or do own a car from a Chevy rival? These guys are okay with getting the car they see as best, even if it isn't badged with a bowtie. GM needs these guys to see the Camaro as the best in class and the most appropriately priced. GM needs to show that to everyone. Expect a low pricetag that baffles you. Expect the best. And stop posting that this thing will cost over $30k!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

Expect a low pricetag that baffles you. Expect the best. And stop posting that this thing will cost over $30k!

Except for the GT500 fighter......

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Except for the GT500 fighter......

I'm glad you appreciated my rant.

I agree on the high-end Camaro, but to date we don't know anything about it. I think we'll be waiting a while for it to be developed.

[ToneyTone]

Most folks on here like to live in reality and reality says that there will be a fully loaded LS3 for 32k. You don't need to wait for GM to tell you that.

[Omega94]

Originally Posted by ToneyTone

Most folks on here like to live in reality and reality says that there will be a fully loaded LS3 for 32k. You don't need to wait for GM to tell you that.

THAT very well be the truth ToneyTone...but your original post alluded to the base V8 being priced at $32k...so I think that many of us would agree with you that the base V8...be it SS or be it Z28...fully loaded, will probably weigh in around $32k. And you're right...most folks on here ARE realistic...$26-28k is realistic because of what we know of the muscle car/pony car market, by what we know from the last generation of the Camaro, and lastly because of what FbodFather has told us himself.

Guarenteed...a base V8 Camaro that has MSRP of $32k without options...will die...plain and simple.

(The_Blur...I'm sorry for throwin' those numbers around...forgive me...)

[JMAN311]

First off I want to say that I've been reading these forums for quite a few months now and I wanted to say that I'm really impressed with the opinions everyone has put forth about the 5th gen Camaro. Also, this has been my main source for getting up-to-date info regarding the new Camaro. It seems like quite a few of the members have first hand accounts of what is happening so it's nice to hear about progress that is being made without them risking giving too much info away. (all hail fbodfather!!!!!! )


It's nice to find a place that can still respect others opinions without resorting to name calling (well not right away at least :P hehe). Personally I'm not a fan of imports but I can respect any car that makes decent horsepower and looks good. I always seem to find my way back to Chevy cars but I'm not the kind of person to diss other peoples cars just cause it doesn't have the same kind of badge on it as mine. I just love anything that's fast.....period, of course all of mine have always and will always have american V8's in them To me there is nothing more fun than when I would drive my Camaro or the '01 Vette I used to have. Never needed the radio on all you'd need to do is listen to the LS1 humming through an aftermarket cat-back exhaust system (Camaro had an SLP center-mounted quad exhaust with custom 3" pipes from the stock manifolds) (Vette had a Corsa Touring with LG Motorsports longtubes and an X pipe).

OK...now for the point of my post. Had to get all that background info out of the way. I wanted to chime in on the whole pricing discussion that keeps going on. From my past experience with the '00 Camaro SS that i bought brand new off the showroom floor in 2001 and the way the pricing used to be (as it still had to be competitive with the Mustangs back then too) I think most everything people are speculating should be accurate. The MSRP of my car was $31,790 including destination charges and everything. It was pretty much loaded up with everything but the disc changer in the trunk. Back then you could get a base Z/28 for about 5K less than the fully loaded SS. So I don't see anything wrong with planning on the pricing for the base V8 to be around the 26-27K range. Like others have said, there won't be many amenities with it and most ppl will get diff packages to add some bells and whistles (leather seats, upgraded sound system, etc..)which will easily bring the price right about the $30K range. Which if you ask me is still going to be a hell of a deal for what you are getting.

As for the new version of the SS (or whatever the high end model is called) I don't see what's wrong with expecting a very high 30K, low 40K price tag. The MSRP for a GT500 right from Fords website is $42,330. You will be getting a better car than a GT500 so even if they do it for a couple thosand dollars less that's still $40K. The base price of a Vette is $46.5K so it still wouldn't be cutting too far into that range. And like it's been said before, the Vette and Camaro are 2 diff types of car. The Camaro isn't going to take away anything from Corvette sales.

Anywho....just wanted to get my first post in there and give my props to all of you for helping me get through the tough times of waiting for next spring until I can cruise in my 2010 Camaro Z28

[LS9CamaroSS]

Well obviously a BASE car is going to be ~27K... why would this car be any more than that... I agree with the blur that speculation has gotten out of hand, but most of the people that you used as a reference will most likely get the V6 or I4 turbo (is this engine still in the game or no?) because they want a cool car and don't really care if it sounds cool or if it beats the rest of the cars from stop light to stop light... Most of the people that get the V8 will be performance minded people like most of us. I personally will be getting the DI6 if that is an option... i just hope it doesn't come in at more than 22k...