Header idea?

[willhe64]

I'm just going to shake my head at both of the previous posts. Not worth replying.

Keep on drinking that kool-aid.

[Smirnoff]

Also pickup some Chinese drywall......

[Pro Stock John]

I've had a number of LS headers over the years, currently have a set of Kooks longtubes and cats in my 2010 Camaro. Great quality. I also had a set of LS1 2" semi-custom longtubes from them back in 2005 for my old 1998 Formula. Also had Macs, Hooker longtubes and was even in on the first group purchase for Grotyohann longtubes all the way back in 1998.

Sometimes the Chinese stuff is not as well made. That's all I'd say. I'm talking like having the welds leak and stuff like that.

Other than that have fun.

[MarylandSpeed]

Actually...if you have some reading comphension, you will see that customers' from all the major makes report having cat's fail with Superchargers. I personally have cats on my supercharged Camaro and it is fine. The tune plays a factor to a degree...and there also is a reasonableness factor. There is only so much power and flow a cat can withstand.

Originally Posted by willhe64

Take a look at this thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...183230&page=22

Kooks high flow cats are clogging under FI applications. Same as many others. Where is the added quality and materials in those?

To top it off, they are telling these people that the vehicle went lean and it is not their concern. Denying warranty.

If I put a set of cheaper cats on my FI car and they burn out i'm going to sigh, live and learn.

Put on some expensive Kooks high flow and they burn out the same as the cheapo's and then get denied warranty. I'm going to come apart like a cheap card table.

[MarylandSpeed]

Originally Posted by willhe64

I'm just going to shake my head at both of the previous posts. Not worth replying.

Keep on drinking that kool-aid.

So...because a cat may fail when you get to the 600+ rwhp range, you are gonna show them, and put the cheapest knockoff header you can find on your car?

Way to show us........

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by litle88

Blaqwhole (typical)

No I'm not high and mighty BUT I'm not gonna cheap out on my builds, sorry but I'm not gonna ghettofy my build and cheap out on parts that won't last or DON'T WORK, the WS6 took me 2 years, 2 months and 17 days (yea it felt longer). I've been doing this too long I know what works and what doesn't, I wanna do it once and do it right. I'm sure others will differ, I try to help in installs, tech, selling/ buying parts here to build "trust" or even going 30 miles to video a dyno run for fellow members that live outta state, and I enjoy every bit of it.! No high horse just a no nonsense or sugar coating guy.
You'll be ok........

"Ghettofy"...?? I'm gonna ignore that phrase. Anyway, like I said before, the products I have used for my projects have all lasted and are still working properly. I have never recommended a product that I didn't try myself. And I would never recommend a product that was not appropriate for it's application. For example, some items are good for a DDer but not good for extensive track use...and the same goes the other way. Sure, you may be a track guy...so for you, certain items are recommended over others. And that's all good. But just because a product isn't right for your specific application does not mean that it is crap, not by any means. Your statements to me sound like you don't realize that not everyone has the same goals for their car as you have for your car. Because you constantly call stuff that you don't even use "crap" when others who have those items are sitting here telling you that they work good for their specific needs. I don't cut corners and I don't throw crap together. I build my cars for my purposes and I do it right every time. I know what it takes to build a car right. And I also know when to use bargain items as well as high quality items. Just sayin...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

So...because a cat may fail when you get to the 600+ rwhp range, you are gonna show them, and put the cheapest knockoff header you can find on your car?

Way to show us........

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Actually...if you have some reading comphension, you will see that customers' from all the major makes report having cat's fail with Superchargers. I personally have cats on my supercharged Camaro and it is fine. The tune plays a factor to a degree...and there also is a reasonableness factor. There is only so much power and flow a cat can withstand.

Originally Posted by litle88

Easy fix lol, punch them out if you need it for visual inspections. If not go Catless. Just my .2

You guys seem to have a silly excuse for everything...

[Camarojt]

To sum things up from my prospective let me just say this.

Obx is an alternative for those customers that are either not worried about the possible quality problems that "could" arise from being made from a lesser quality stainless or lesser workmanship ie welds or centered well ported flanges. They do perform just as good as "most other headers in the average market" therefore a customer looking for a header but that doesnt really plan on keeping his car long or possibly dont wanna spend that much more money for the US brands, he can then take advantage of the money savings by buying OBX. Assuming that he also doesnt care that its not made in the US, just like Pacesetter, JBA, Stainless Power, and Texas Speed. All made overseas but still good products.
Also he, (the buyer) has to not care that OBX most likely stole the design from Kooks in the beginning. Although this hasnt been proven, its 99% obvious. But at least they picked a good brand to copy.

OBX are by no means as good of quality as a Kooks or AHR. Both of these brands of headers are high quality, have warranties, and install with ease and last a good while.

I have done alot of research on which header that i personally plan to use. Being that i am planning on keeping my car for a long time, i think it would be smart to buy a header that will last a long time. Tho there is No proof that OBX might not last a long time, there are certainly signs to show that it may not be 100% durable.
I will probably end up with Kooks or ARH.

However i will not ever bash or talk bad about another person on here that decides to buy a cheaper header. Everyone has the right to buy whatever products they want without having to hear someone negative comments about how all China headers are crap. Its not that serious. The "i only buy American products" is a great thing for America, but lets not pretend that everyone on here saying that they only buys US. if they were to Look around their house, they would find tons of things made overseas. Its is what it is. From electronics, to toys, to tools, your cell phone, list goes on and on. Heck id bet that some guys on here that have bashed overseas headers have a wife that drives a Toyota!! I dont know how headers became the item that we as Americans hang our moral patriotism on. lol

I bought a Camaro bc i love Camaros. I dont care what parts are made in Canada or Mexico or if they were built by a midget on an iceberg wearing a tuu tuu.

What i do like to see is when a 65 year old man can post on here that he is happy and proud that he installed his OBX headers in 3 hrs all by himself. There is no nead to rain on his parade by bashing the header he bought. Its stupid. I like to know people are having fun with their cars and just want to get them to perform.
So guys that already have Kooks or higher cost headers, learn to live and let iive. If someone wants to know what you think about their brand, they will ask. No need to chime in unnecessarily. That goes for Speed Shops too. And i got a lot of respect for the Few on here that only say professional comments or replies. .

[MarylandSpeed]

Lets try and refocus this a little.....

My take is... If you are not going to spend the money on a nice set of headers...at least buy a legitimate cheap set. If you are only gonna spend $400...then live with Pacesetters. They at least designed their own header. Hell..if a company wants to design their own header, and make it in China, great. Just support someone who at least has the ability to design the product they are selling.

When you buy the ebay knockoff stuff...it is not accceptable alternative in my book. It is more like cheating. You are having some great cake without paying the baker. One thing people forget is that back in the day, installing a set of headers meant cutting and hammering both the car, and the header. They simply did not fit well. One of the reason Kooks is so well known is because their headers fit good with no cutting or welding. They have invested many thousands in staff, time, and machinery to be able to develop among the best fitting headers out there. If designing a header that fit right was easy, these knock off companies would do it from the start. So when you steal Kooks design, you are stealing what makes a Kooks header a Kooks header.

At the end of the day, stealing the work of others is not a practice that is in most cases illegal, and even when not, something that is looked down upon. As such, it is pretty naive to think you can come here, post how great your knock off headers are, while calling the brand they copied "grossly over priced" without some blowback.

I honestly am astounded how far these threads go. I wonder if the sunglass forums have people going on about how great fake Oakley's are?

[A.R. Headers]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You guys seem to have a silly excuse for everything...

BlaqWhole, ARH guarantees cats for 2 years from date of purchase to the original buyer. Having said that, we also educate our customers about the circumstances to avoid to prevent wiping out a set of our cats. If you generate enough heat, especially on the dyno, you can overheat and melt the substrate regardless of what type of cats they are. We consider our brand the finest the industry offers and yes, they're made in the USA but even they have their limitations.
Ford GT500's are the most notorious and require that the tuner have his act together. It's pretty rare that we hear a GM car damaged our cats but it can happen if folks are careless.

Nick
A. R. Headers

[GaBoy25]

Let's just all agree to disagree and close this bitch down like gentleman.

I swear we are like the clan and the black panthers at a sit down discussion.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Lets try and refocus this a little.....

My take is... If you are not going to spend the money on a nice set of headers...at least buy a legitimate cheap set. If you are only gonna spend $400...then live with Pacesetters. They at least designed their own header. Hell..if a company wants to design their own header, and make it in China, great. Just support someone who at least has the ability to design the product they are selling.

When you buy the ebay knockoff stuff...it is not accceptable alternative in my book. It is more like cheating. You are having some great cake without paying the baker. One thing people forget is that back in the day, installing a set of headers meant cutting and hammering both the car, and the header. They simply did not fit well. One of the reason Kooks is so well known is because their headers fit good with no cutting or welding. They have invested many thousands in staff, time, and machinery to be able to develop among the best fitting headers out there. If designing a header that fit right was easy, these knock off companies would do it from the start. So when you steal Kooks design, you are stealing what makes a Kooks header a Kooks header.

At the end of the day, stealing the work of others is not a practice that is in most cases illegal, and even when not, something that is looked down upon. As such, it is pretty naive to think you can come here, post how great your knock off headers are, while calling the brand they copied "grossly over priced" without some blowback.

I honestly am astounded how far these threads go. I wonder if the sunglass forums have people going on about how great fake Oakley's are?

Or how about I take the money that I earned after working my ass off in the medical field with the college degree that I earned and spend it on whatever I desire to spend it on. Whether it's a fake or not...it is not for you to criticize or judge. And it's not for you to talk morality, cheating, and illegal when you take part in illegal modifications like I pointed out before. Sure your customers sign waivers before you modify or remove the cats and you turn your back as they drive off, but you're still morally corrupt in that aspect. Because it is illegal. We can sit here all day going back and forth.

But still, I and others have the right to purchase whatever we want without your insults. And we have a right to post about how great they are. I bought it with my money, it looks great, it installed easily, it works great, I got good results form them, and I've had no problems with them. These are the same statements that others make about other brands. So I too can make a thread saying these things because it is the absolute truth. Immorality does not make a header work, fit, or look like crap. If you don't like OBX, then stay away from threads that are talking about them. Or hell, don't stay away, it's a free country. But don't expect me to think my headers are crap solely on the basis that there is a rumor that it is a stolen design. And even if it is true, OBX is still a damn good header.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by GaBoy25

Let's just all agree to disagree and close this bitch down like gentleman.

I swear we are like the clan and the black panthers at a sit down discussion.

Hahaha...still wouldn't be as bad as democrats and republicans!!

[Badbubba]

Ghettofy. That is funny sh!t. Without a doubt, I'm going to use that word multiple times today at work. And yes, I am employed by a major American steel producer. The owners of the budget headers need to accept that they bought them for a reason, and need to quit trying to justify why they bought them. It gets tiring, to me, that some of the people that have installed these headers post or start a thread to boast about how great the headers are and what a great bargain they have gotten over other manufacturers due to there inflated price. If a company designed a product and decides to out source it, then so be it. If a company designs a product and another company steals or is highly suspected of stealing the design, manufacturers the product and sells it in the same market, then how can anyone knowingly support the knock off product.