Camaro ZL1 Concept has PTM! - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

ShaunBailey · 03-19-2011, 12:45 AM

I thought the Camaro ZL1 enthusiasts might like to know that during the Road & Track photo shoot of the ZL1 concept during the week following the cars unveiling at the Chicago Auto Show it was discovered that PTM was in fact functioning on the show car.

Not much here I wrote about that you probably don't already know.

But if you look at the photos you'll see this.

And this...

Note that PTM was enable up to a setting of 5 in the second photo. The system was activated just as we thought. Traction control to comp mode and then the +/- buttons to adjust. Although this was a running car we were not permitted to drive it in such a way as to test any of these functions. It is believed that these systems are in development and their complete functionality will be revealed towards the end of the year, but nobody at GM has confirmed this. I think they'd be foolish not to include it though.

Having experienced a Corvette ZR1 with and without PTM, I sincerely hope that PTM is included at the launch of the ZL1.

I have a feeling most people don't understand what PTM can do. In it's most aggressive setting on the ZR1 it disables stability and conventional traction control. looking at the cars yaw rate, steering input and throttle application it will determine the maximum amount of HP the rear wheels can accept and try to not let you exceed that with only engine management. in a perfect world the system will provide the maximum acceleration out of a corner with your foot to the floor. As you unwind the steering wheel the system will feed in more power. HOWEVER, if something's not perfect...like cold tires, slippery spot on the road... the system will allow you to slide off into the weeds. It's like the traction control systems used on race cars. It's there to help you go faster, not hinder you. And it's pretty stinking cool to lay into the throttle of a ZR1 Corvette and hear it sputter and pop angrily as you hit the apex of a corner. The sounds it makes as it modulates torque output through the corner exit are pure racing car. As you unwind the wheel onto the straight it lets the engine go completely and it feels as if Ron Fellows just showed you how to drive.

-Shaun
Shaun Bailey
Associate Engineering Editor
Road & Track
www.roadandtrack.com

91Z28350 · 03-19-2011, 01:08 AM

Wow, very cool. And thanks for coming and taking the time to let us know about that!

*radz28* · 03-19-2011, 03:35 AM

Thank you Mr. Bailey.

Mr Twisty · 03-19-2011, 07:34 AM

Interesting...

Thanks!

Blue Menace · 03-19-2011, 07:35 AM

Great info! My curiosity lies in understanding how much of a difference in feel there is between that "most aggressive setting" and it's extreme. Does it feel any different than what's on the SS as far as nannies on and then off?

JoeP@TeamBeckyD · 03-19-2011, 07:48 AM

WOW...Great 1st Post!!!

Welcome to the site...

Great info..Thanks for sharing...

Becky
ps. If you can post any other pics or info,
Please post more.

OldJedi · 03-19-2011, 08:41 AM

Thank you very much for the great pictures and information into PTM and welcome to Camaro5. Any other insights into the ZL1 that you can share with us?

DrkPhx · 03-19-2011, 08:52 AM

That's awesome news and will make the car even more potent.

I like this part...Oh yeah.

Quote:

As for launch control, we can expect the ZL1 to have it, and maybe the Performance Traction Management from the Corvette ZR1. This might alter bracket racing forever, with repeated sub-12-second quarter mile passes a real possibility.

LostInMoscow · 03-19-2011, 10:11 AM

Hmmm..........sounds really familiar............

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131217

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-19-2011, 10:38 AM

Awesommmmeeeee!

Thanks for sharing!

If this does make production, it'll help the King of Camaros be the smartest, most capable pony car on the market!

htron50 · 03-19-2011, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LostInMoscow

Hmmm..........sounds really familiar............

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131217

+1

CoolestCamaro873 · 03-19-2011, 11:16 AM

great to know. and as for base on this car it will definetely not be under $50k with things like PTM. either way it is something a car with this much power should have. nothing like having 550+ HP that is unusable alot of times, just ask the GT500!

2010SLVRBULIT · 03-19-2011, 11:16 AM

..who's R Fellows?

91Z28350 · 03-19-2011, 01:15 PM

Ron Fellows? I would assume (even though we know what assuming does):

http://www.corvetteracing.com/driver...nfellows.shtml

03-19-2011, 12:45 AM	#1
ShaunBailey Drives: none Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: So. California Posts: 6	Camaro ZL1 Concept has PTM! I thought the Camaro ZL1 enthusiasts might like to know that during the Road & Track photo shoot of the ZL1 concept during the week following the cars unveiling at the Chicago Auto Show it was discovered that PTM was in fact functioning on the show car. Not much here I wrote about that you probably don't already know. But if you look at the photos you'll see this. And this... Note that PTM was enable up to a setting of 5 in the second photo. The system was activated just as we thought. Traction control to comp mode and then the +/- buttons to adjust. Although this was a running car we were not permitted to drive it in such a way as to test any of these functions. It is believed that these systems are in development and their complete functionality will be revealed towards the end of the year, but nobody at GM has confirmed this. I think they'd be foolish not to include it though. Having experienced a Corvette ZR1 with and without PTM, I sincerely hope that PTM is included at the launch of the ZL1. I have a feeling most people don't understand what PTM can do. In it's most aggressive setting on the ZR1 it disables stability and conventional traction control. looking at the cars yaw rate, steering input and throttle application it will determine the maximum amount of HP the rear wheels can accept and try to not let you exceed that with only engine management. in a perfect world the system will provide the maximum acceleration out of a corner with your foot to the floor. As you unwind the steering wheel the system will feed in more power. HOWEVER, if something's not perfect...like cold tires, slippery spot on the road... the system will allow you to slide off into the weeds. It's like the traction control systems used on race cars. It's there to help you go faster, not hinder you. And it's pretty stinking cool to lay into the throttle of a ZR1 Corvette and hear it sputter and pop angrily as you hit the apex of a corner. The sounds it makes as it modulates torque output through the corner exit are pure racing car. As you unwind the wheel onto the straight it lets the engine go completely and it feels as if Ron Fellows just showed you how to drive. -Shaun Shaun Bailey Associate Engineering Editor Road & Track www.roadandtrack.com Last edited by ShaunBailey; 03-19-2011 at 01:10 AM.

03-19-2011, 03:35 AM	#3
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03-19-2011, 07:34 AM	#4
Mr Twisty Drives: the 2nd amendment home Join Date: May 2008 Location: OK Posts: 14,763	Interesting... Thanks! __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin lib·er·ty /ˈlibərdē/ noun 1. the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views

03-19-2011, 08:41 AM	#7
OldJedi Use the Force Drives: 2015 Corvette Z51, 2018 Porsche GTS Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Davie, Fl. Posts: 3,862	Thank you very much for the great pictures and information into PTM and welcome to Camaro5. Any other insights into the ZL1 that you can share with us? __________________ Walk softly, carry a light saber and drive a ZL1!

03-19-2011, 10:11 AM	#9
LostInMoscow Exiled Speed Junkie Drives: None Join Date: May 2010 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 803	Hmmm..........sounds really familiar............ http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131217 __________________

03-19-2011, 01:08 AM	#2
91Z28350 Drives: 2012 GT500 SVTPP 2010 Traverse LTZ Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roanoke,TX Posts: 665	Wow, very cool. And thanks for coming and taking the time to let us know about that!

03-19-2011, 07:35 AM	#5
Blue Menace Drives: 2013 WRX Sedan Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 705	Great info! My curiosity lies in understanding how much of a difference in feel there is between that "most aggressive setting" and it's extreme. Does it feel any different than what's on the SS as far as nannies on and then off?

03-19-2011, 07:48 AM	#6
JoeP@TeamBeckyD Drives: SS,PaceCar,ZL1,1LE,C7Z51,Z06,17-ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Detroit, Mich Posts: 68,623	WOW...Great 1st Post!!! Welcome to the site... Great info..Thanks for sharing... Becky ps. If you can post any other pics or info, Please post more.

03-19-2011, 10:38 AM	#10
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Awesommmmeeeee! Thanks for sharing! If this does make production, it'll help the King of Camaros be the smartest, most capable pony car on the market! __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

03-19-2011, 11:16 AM	#12
CoolestCamaro873 The Road's A Bad Joke... Drives: '12 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Posts: 567	great to know. and as for base on this car it will definetely not be under $50k with things like PTM. either way it is something a car with this much power should have. nothing like having 550+ HP that is unusable alot of times, just ask the GT500! __________________

03-19-2011, 11:16 AM	#13
2010SLVRBULIT Drives: G5(LLT) & C6(LS3) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MARS Posts: 7,525 View My Garage	..who's R Fellows?

03-19-2011, 01:15 PM	#14
91Z28350 Drives: 2012 GT500 SVTPP 2010 Traverse LTZ Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roanoke,TX Posts: 665	Ron Fellows? I would assume (even though we know what assuming does): http://www.corvetteracing.com/driver...nfellows.shtml

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