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bluedevil02 · 10-08-2009, 04:14 PM

woohoo mine gets delivered tom., what a great surprise for the weekend...ill post some comments and pics tom. evening...

scrming · 10-08-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by renderinfo

Quick question. My Airaid CAI is coming Tuesday. I am not an automechanic, and pretty much don't know jack about cars. I'm what you would call "dangerous" as I only know what I read...

I just got through reading scrmng's IAT relocation article http://v6john.com/index.php/performance/53-heatsoak and thought it was pretty cool. I also read his comments about only having to pull fuses 5 and 20 from the engine fusebox to reset the ECM while I am installing the CAI... That should be a big help during installation as well.

My question is... Is relocating the IAT something I would want to do as well? Or is this something that the CAI I am buying will do as part of the installation? Sorry about the neophyte question(s), but I just thought I would ask...

I believe all the current CAI kit simply reuse the stock MAF/IAT sensor... From what I've read part of the issue with this is the stock IAT is basically buried in the stock MAF sensor, kind of tucked out of the way of the air flow... I've read where some times will try and go into their MAF sensor and pry the IAT thermosister up and more into the air flow...

So... to answer you question... based on the kits I've seen, yeah, i would still do the relocation....

HaveBlue · 10-08-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by renderinfo

My question is... Is relocating the IAT something I would want to do as well? Or is this something that the CAI I am buying will do as part of the installation? Sorry about the neophyte question(s), but I just thought I would ask...

The MAF in the Airaid kit has been relocated. DO NOT move it.

kga10734 · 10-08-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HaveBlue

The MAF in the Airaid kit has been relocated. DO NOT move it.

The MAF has been moved from the front side of the stock unit to somewhat of the topside on the Airaid unit. John is talking about the IAT sensor that is embedded in the MAF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrming

I believe all the current CAI kit simply reuse the stock MAF/IAT sensor... From what I've read part of the issue with this is the stock IAT is basically buried in the stock MAF sensor, kind of tucked out of the way of the air flow... I've read where some times will try and go into their MAF sensor and pry the IAT thermosister up and more into the air flow...

So... to answer you question... based on the kits I've seen, yeah, i would still do the relocation....

Hey John,

To relocate a remote IAT with the Airaid setup, would you suggest putting it in the housing / heat shield somewhere like I have in the picture below or does it need to be after the air filter somewhere? If it should be after the filter, the only place a person could put it is back in the tube which is where it is originally but it would be separate from the MAF sensor. I know the one you did on your stock CAI it is in the air filter housing but it is after the filter. I was just wondering if this would mess with the air temps it reads or if the non filtered air would screw with the IAT or possibly get trash in the sensor?

scrming · 10-09-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by HaveBlue

The MAF in the Airaid kit has been relocated. DO NOT move it.

I'm not suggesting you MOVE the MAF... I'm saying ADD a STANDALONE IAT sensor:

http://v6john.com/index.php/performance/53-heatsoak

scrming · 10-09-2009, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kga10734

The MAF has been moved from the front side of the stock unit to somewhat of the topside on the Airaid unit. John is talking about the IAT sensor that is embedded in the MAF.

Hey John,

To relocate a remote IAT with the Airaid setup, would you suggest putting it in the housing / heat shield somewhere like I have in the picture below or does it need to be after the air filter somewhere? If it should be after the filter, the only place a person could put it is back in the tube which is where it is originally but it would be separate from the MAF sensor. I know the one you did on your stock CAI it is in the air filter housing but it is after the filter. I was just wondering if this would mess with the air temps it reads or if the non filtered air would screw with the IAT or possibly get trash in the sensor?

I wouldn't worry about being on the non-filtered side... one of the reason we put in in the lid was for convenience... Lid had a nice flat spot and was a lot easier to remove for drilling than pulling out the whole air box.

On your picture i would say point 4 or 5...

Also there is a pretty heavy plastic cage around the sensor to protect it:

calflan · 10-09-2009, 12:10 PM

Scrming, not sure if you mentioned or not, did'nt see it in the article, but what additional sensor did you use ? Did you just get another Chevy sensor from the dealer - same as the combined sensor - and use the temp portion of the newly installed unit for the additional sensor alone ? This would make sense as wiring connector is the same, so I assume that's what you did.
Additionally, you mention that you use 93 octane gas. Is this a necissity to prevent ping / knock ? Have you run it hard with 87 and seen no issues ?
Whole mod looks like a great idea, but don't want to be limited to 93 octane or be concerned for a knock issue.
I'm getting Airaid CAI system Monday and may do this mod as well.
Thanks for post, once again, great stuff !

HaveBlue · 10-09-2009, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrming

I'm not suggesting you MOVE the MAF... I'm saying ADD a STANDALONE IAT sensor:

http://v6john.com/index.php/performance/53-heatsoak

Gotcha, sorry for the mistake. Be interesting to see if there is a difference.

scrming · 10-09-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by calflan

Scrming, not sure if you mentioned or not, did'nt see it in the article, but what additional sensor did you use ? Did you just get another Chevy sensor from the dealer - same as the combined sensor - and use the temp portion of the newly installed unit for the additional sensor alone ? This would make sense as wiring connector is the same, so I assume that's what you did.
Additionally, you mention that you use 93 octane gas. Is this a necissity to prevent ping / knock ? Have you run it hard with 87 and seen no issues ?
Whole mod looks like a great idea, but don't want to be limited to 93 octane or be concerned for a knock issue.
I'm getting Airaid CAI system Monday and may do this mod as well.
Thanks for post, once again, great stuff !

Got my stand alone IAT at the local parts store. You can have them look up:

GM Part #: 12160244
AC Delco part #: 213-243

This is a "push in" type, not the NPT threaded type.

You also need to get the matching pig tail: GM# 12102620

Then what you do is simply cut the BLUE and TAN wire for the stock MAF sensor and wire up the new IAT sensor..

I have run a couple of tanks of 87 though the car. No signs of pinging what so ever!

scrming · 10-09-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HaveBlue

Gotcha, sorry for the mistake. Be interesting to see if there is a difference.

This mod really helps out with the heat soak. Main difference is in the low end torque:

My previous best ET at the track was 14.6... after the mod the car went 14.3. Also cut my 60' from 2.1 to 2.0.... Some of this was due to better air, but some of it was definitely due to the new IAT sensor! With the stock sensor buy the time I would get through the staging lanes and actually get staged my IAT temps could easily be 20 to 30 degrees above ambient... with the new IAT sensor the temp is more like 5 above ambient...

renderinfo · 10-09-2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kga10734

The MAF has been moved from the front side of the stock unit to somewhat of the topside on the Airaid unit. John is talking about the IAT sensor that is embedded in the MAF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrming

I'm not suggesting you MOVE the MAF... I'm saying ADD a STANDALONE IAT sensor:

http://v6john.com/index.php/performance/53-heatsoak

Ok, I am going to try and beat this horse to death multiple times until I understand this...
I was incorrect before, we don't want to "move" the IAT from the MAF, it's better to add a new IAT and rewire it to the MAF as the article suggests...

HOWEVER, if the MAF is being moved to the topside of the Airaid unit, is it possible that I won't need a new relocated IAT after all? If the problem with the "stock" IAT is that it suffers from heatsoak because it's picking up hot air from the engine, if the MAF is moving with the new Airraid CAI, the "stock IAT" is moving with it. It'd be cool if there really was no advantage to getting a standalone IAT if the stock one won't suffer from heatsoak because the MAF is getting moved anyway... Then I could just install the new Airaid, and I'd be getting the best of "both worlds", cooler air AND a "properly located" IAT sensor.
Or, is there something I am still missing, and a standalone IAT relocated somewhere away from the MAF would have advantages over just moving the MAF? Just your thoughts would help...

scrming · 10-09-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by renderinfo

Ok, I am going to try and beat this horse to death multiple times until I understand this...
I was incorrect before, we don't want to "move" the IAT from the MAF, it's better to add a new IAT and rewire it to the MAF as the article suggests...

HOWEVER, if the MAF is being moved to the topside of the Airaid unit, is it possible that I won't need a new relocated IAT after all? I mean, the problem with the "stock" IAT is that it suffers from heatsoak because it's picking up hot air from the engine. However, if the MAF is moving, the "stock IAT" is moving with it. It'd be cool if there really was no advantage to getting a standalone IAT if the stock one won't suffer from heatsoak because the MAF is getting moved anyway... Then I could just install the new Airaid, and I'd be getting the best of "both worlds", cooler air AND a "properly located" IAT sensor.
Or, is there something I am still missing, and a standalone IAT relocated somewhere away from the MAF would have advantages over just moving the MAF? Just your thoughts would help...

My understanding is there are some drawbacks to having the IAT sensor located inside of the stock MAF/IAT sensor. The one that keeps coming up is that the IAT sensor inside of the MAF is really kind of tucked away and out of the actual air flow. I've found references to guys actually poking into their MAF sensors, prying the IAT sensor up so it's actually in the air flow...

And of course the beauty of this mod is it really is only about $30...

FISHTAIL · 10-10-2009, 11:06 AM

IMO
I would Dyno the car before any mods and get my baseline, then install the Airaid as per their recommendation. I would then Dyno the car once more and see if the gains are what they should. If not I would contact Airaid and ask them why your not seeing the gains and put the pressure back on them. As a last resort I would consider adding the sensor. If it gets to this point you would know two things. One that the Airaid gains are probably bogus and second that John's sensor idea is likely the only thing that really works.
Lest hope that’s not the case and everything works like it’s suppose to.

If it does I’ll probably get the Airaid too, because I can’t wait to get rid of that ugly appendage on the factory air intake. Although I was waiting for the GM air-box, because I like the chrome pipe better than a plastic one.

This is just my opinion though..

Airaid Filters · 10-12-2009, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FISHTAIL

IMO
I would Dyno the car before any mods and get my baseline, then install the Airaid as per their recommendation. I would then Dyno the car once more and see if the gains are what they should. If not I would contact Airaid and ask them why your not seeing the gains and put the pressure back on them. As a last resort I would consider adding the sensor. If it gets to this point you would know two things. One that the Airaid gains are probably bogus and second that John's sensor idea is likely the only thing that really works.

This is just my opinion though..

Hello FISHTAIL,

You need to keep in mind, A DYNO is a rough estimate of what a product can produce.

Depending on the brand of DYNO, weather, moisture, how many miles on the vehicle, modifications, and so on. There are so many variables.

You could take YOUR Camaro, Dyno it in 3 different states, and more than likely, you will get 3 different numbers.

Again, a DYNO # is a rough estimate, it's not a number etched in stone, and it never will be.

any other questions, please let me know.

Thanks,
David

10-09-2009, 12:10 PM	#35
calflan Drives: 1LT; IBM; 6 Spd Manual Join Date: May 2009 Location: Heath, Tx. Posts: 499	Scrming, not sure if you mentioned or not, did'nt see it in the article, but what additional sensor did you use ? Did you just get another Chevy sensor from the dealer - same as the combined sensor - and use the temp portion of the newly installed unit for the additional sensor alone ? This would make sense as wiring connector is the same, so I assume that's what you did. Additionally, you mention that you use 93 octane gas. Is this a necissity to prevent ping / knock ? Have you run it hard with 87 and seen no issues ? Whole mod looks like a great idea, but don't want to be limited to 93 octane or be concerned for a knock issue. I'm getting Airaid CAI system Monday and may do this mod as well. Thanks for post, once again, great stuff ! __________________ 1LT; Airaid CAI; Flowmaster American Thunder Axelback; Int Floor Lts; RS Spoiler; Radio Controls; Sequential tail lights; Oil Catch Can; VMAX Throttle Body; MACE plenum spacer; Mace manifold insulator[/I]

10-10-2009, 11:06 AM	#41
FISHTAIL Drives: Sedan & 2SS / RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 377	IMO I would Dyno the car before any mods and get my baseline, then install the Airaid as per their recommendation. I would then Dyno the car once more and see if the gains are what they should. If not I would contact Airaid and ask them why your not seeing the gains and put the pressure back on them. As a last resort I would consider adding the sensor. If it gets to this point you would know two things. One that the Airaid gains are probably bogus and second that John's sensor idea is likely the only thing that really works. Lest hope that’s not the case and everything works like it’s suppose to. If it does I’ll probably get the Airaid too, because I can’t wait to get rid of that ugly appendage on the factory air intake. Although I was waiting for the GM air-box, because I like the chrome pipe better than a plastic one. This is just my opinion though.. __________________ Drives: 2012 2SS/Black/RS/A6

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10-08-2009, 04:14 PM	#29
bluedevil02 Drives: 2LT/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Antonio Posts: 844	woohoo mine gets delivered tom., what a great surprise for the weekend...ill post some comments and pics tom. evening...