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Lsx_Matt · 07-02-2018, 07:03 PM

I’ll start with the build
2012 2ss auto
Tsp headers
K&n cai
3400 circle d stall
3.91 gears
Xxx tuning
I currently have a tsp stage 2 229/236 111 lsa cam not installed
I’m looking to get rid of it and go big (kind or go big or go home I kinda thing)
Looking at the new tsp f35 (stage 4) cam and get my heads cnc
I’m wanting to make 500 plus NA
I only run the 1/8th due to that being the only tracks without 150 miles around me. Some roll racing as well.
What do y’all think? Stick with the stage 2 or go big and get the stage 4. And if so what lsa would be recommended it’s not my DD
Thanks! -Matt

sinisterlsx510 · 07-02-2018, 07:47 PM

So u did a ls3 conversion?

KW Baraka · 07-03-2018, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lsx_Matt

I’ll start with the build
2012 2ss auto
Tsp headers
K&n cai
3400 circle d stall
3.91 gears
Xxx tuning
I currently have a tsp stage 2 229/236 111 lsa cam not installed
I’m looking to get rid of it and go big (kind or go big or go home I kinda thing)
Looking at the new tsp f35 (stage 4) cam and get my heads cnc
I’m wanting to make 500 plus NA
I only run the 1/8th due to that being the only tracks without 150 miles around me. Some roll racing as well.
What do y’all think? Stick with the stage 2 or go big and get the stage 4. And if so what lsa would be recommended it’s not my DD
Thanks! -Matt

IMO.....the Stage 2 cam would be better for that short 1/8 mile sprint. You'll never see the full capability of the Stage 4 in just 1/8 of a mile.

KW

Lsx_Matt · 07-03-2018, 11:22 AM

I’m going to do a ls3 conversion when I get in to it. And that’s kind of what I had in my head as well.

Bo White · 07-03-2018, 12:42 PM

You need a bigger stall now much less with a bigger cam. Id buy the F-35 and a 4000. I run a 5000 with mine and could use more stall.

Lsx_Matt · 07-03-2018, 04:03 PM

I was talking to Lonnie Fowler with tsp he said my stall and gear would be sufficient enough. The cam calls for a 3600. So a 3400 with 3.91s is fine. But I’m still on the fence with what I want to do. I need one of your TBs lol

LCPLPunk · 07-03-2018, 04:36 PM

Why not do a VVT cam?

Russell James · 07-03-2018, 04:44 PM

Tq is king on a heavy car. Hp wins races in light race cars. So you basically need both. I wouldn't go extreme that kills the tq under the curve.

How much street driving are you still going to do? The bigger the cam, the worse that gets.

TSP, Brian Tooley, Cam Motion, JRE, GPI, Katech ... they know their stuff with LS and 5th gen cams. Tell one of them exactly what you want the car to act like and go with a complete package approach all from the same shop that has dyno'd/spintron tested that combo. Valve train stability is the key to survival. It's a packaged approach that works. Katech has done a lot of spintron testing and has their cam profiles that they know are bulletproof.

Biggest most common mistake in modding a heavy street car is too big a cam.

My vote would be shave the heads while CNCing for 11.25ish compression. Then something like a Cam Motion Titan III. It'll still drive decent on the street, and be a tq monster that revs out nice. Lift is not too crazy so all it needs in the rockers is a bronze bushing trunion kit.

LSA wise. in general a 113+4 will still be nice and streetable with a nice lope. 110 is choppy as hell. Great for a race car or if your 16-18 yrs old on the street. But that extreme choppiness gets old fast trying to drive slow around a city. I know someone that put an ASA cam in a LS3 crate motor for a restomod. Hated it. Finally stuck a Cam Motion titan II in it...awesome car now very driveable and fun. I tried to tell him...the ASA cam was a race cam... in light race cars...

zz430camaro · 07-03-2018, 04:54 PM

The larger cams dont make that much more power than the smaller ones unless you do head work or switch to an aftermarket head with altered valve angles. The cam you have will work fine, its more important that its installed correctly and make sure you have ever bolt-on there is and pay attention to the details. Doing head work is a good idea, mill the heads to raise the compression as much as you can but still get good clearance. You are not going to make 500 rwhp with a automatic car sorry to tell ya.

Bo White · 07-03-2018, 08:16 PM

Id go more stall over more cam.
I daily a 5000 and want more.

Lsx_Matt · 07-03-2018, 09:22 PM

Balling on a budget to a point and with the stage 4 plus head work and every other small bolt on available 500 is doable considering it’s been done. But I just put the 3400 in is why I’m not to eager to pull it and spend the money to have it reflashed and more tune work due to I use a custom on site tuner. But after the talk I’m going to stick with the original plan and just use put the stage 2 in. I’m doing every supporting mod possible. I don’t roll race to often and I drive the car to the track, weekly car shows, and the gym every now and then just to do it. I’m only 20 so I love the loud chopping cam. But thanks for all your input. I’m going to stick with the stage 2 and maybe throw a 100 shot to it in the future.

jc615 · 07-03-2018, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by zz430camaro

You are not going to make 500 rwhp with a automatic car sorry to tell ya.

#fakenews

acammer · 07-04-2018, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LCPLPunk

Why not do a VVT cam?

Bingo. You need to be talking to Ryan at GPI. Those guys are putting down the fastest NA SBE times for a reason. And they definitely have made 500whp through autos. Pair an SS3 VVT cam with a Rod Mod intake and watch the incredible gains, not just on the top end, but all the way down to 3200. The other important part - you won't beat their customer service anywhere. Seriously - give them a call and see what you think after you talk with them.

Baddbird · 07-04-2018, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lsx_Matt

Balling on a budget to a point and with the stage 4 plus head work and every other small bolt on available 500 is doable considering it’s been done. But I just put the 3400 in is why I’m not to eager to pull it and spend the money to have it reflashed and more tune work due to I use a custom on site tuner. But after the talk I’m going to stick with the original plan and just use put the stage 2 in. I’m doing every supporting mod possible. I don’t roll race to often and I drive the car to the track, weekly car shows, and the gym every now and then just to do it. I’m only 20 so I love the loud chopping cam. But thanks for all your input. I’m going to stick with the stage 2 and maybe throw a 100 shot to it in the future.

Restall your circle D, Sell the stage 2 cam,and follow the link below. I put down 502 to the tire on pump 93 with the L99 VVT Max package and no flycutting.
https://gwatneyperformance.com/produ...d-cam-package/

07-02-2018, 07:03 PM	#1
Lsx_Matt Drives: 2012 Camaro 2ss Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 47	Cam question I’ll start with the build 2012 2ss auto Tsp headers K&n cai 3400 circle d stall 3.91 gears Xxx tuning I currently have a tsp stage 2 229/236 111 lsa cam not installed I’m looking to get rid of it and go big (kind or go big or go home I kinda thing) Looking at the new tsp f35 (stage 4) cam and get my heads cnc I’m wanting to make 500 plus NA I only run the 1/8th due to that being the only tracks without 150 miles around me. Some roll racing as well. What do y’all think? Stick with the stage 2 or go big and get the stage 4. And if so what lsa would be recommended it’s not my DD Thanks! -Matt

07-02-2018, 07:47 PM	#2
sinisterlsx510 Drives: 14 ss camaro summit white Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: bay area Posts: 463	So u did a ls3 conversion? __________________ 2014 ss camaro Stainless works long tubes , rotofab cai , vararam wedge , muffler delete,cat delete ,resonator delete , x pipe 2019 sierra duramax 2500 all terrain x 2001 trans am Lsx 408 ci rebuild in progress(dead project) 1967 camaro Sbc 327.

07-03-2018, 04:36 PM	#7
LCPLPunk USA-1 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Near DC Posts: 1,893 View My Garage	Why not do a VVT cam? __________________ "A Camaro in the garage is safe, but that's not what Camaros are built for..." R2C CAI / Apex Scoop / VMAX Ported TB / Speed Engineering LTHs / X-pipe / GPI port/rod-mod intake manifold / Circle D 3200 278mm Converter / 3.91 gears / DynoSteve tuned / 1LE Shocks/Struts/Toe Links / ZL1 Rear Sway Bar / Z/28 Trailing arms / Prothane Radius Arm & Subframe Bushings / BMR UCA Bracket, Steering rack bushing / B&M Tranny Cooler / RX Catch Can / Jannetty Tranny Dipstick / 2012+ Heater Hose / 2013+ Rearview Mirror / Fuel rail flip / Drake shifter / Oil Cooler Delete

07-03-2018, 11:22 AM	#4
Lsx_Matt Drives: 2012 Camaro 2ss Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 47	I’m going to do a ls3 conversion when I get in to it. And that’s kind of what I had in my head as well.

07-03-2018, 12:42 PM	#5
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,090	You need a bigger stall now much less with a bigger cam. Id buy the F-35 and a 4000. I run a 5000 with mine and could use more stall.

07-03-2018, 04:03 PM	#6
Lsx_Matt Drives: 2012 Camaro 2ss Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 47	I was talking to Lonnie Fowler with tsp he said my stall and gear would be sufficient enough. The cam calls for a 3600. So a 3400 with 3.91s is fine. But I’m still on the fence with what I want to do. I need one of your TBs lol

07-03-2018, 04:44 PM	#8
Russell James Drives: '15 SS 1LE, '69 Z28 drag car Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mich Posts: 4,482	Tq is king on a heavy car. Hp wins races in light race cars. So you basically need both. I wouldn't go extreme that kills the tq under the curve. How much street driving are you still going to do? The bigger the cam, the worse that gets. TSP, Brian Tooley, Cam Motion, JRE, GPI, Katech ... they know their stuff with LS and 5th gen cams. Tell one of them exactly what you want the car to act like and go with a complete package approach all from the same shop that has dyno'd/spintron tested that combo. Valve train stability is the key to survival. It's a packaged approach that works. Katech has done a lot of spintron testing and has their cam profiles that they know are bulletproof. Biggest most common mistake in modding a heavy street car is too big a cam. My vote would be shave the heads while CNCing for 11.25ish compression. Then something like a Cam Motion Titan III. It'll still drive decent on the street, and be a tq monster that revs out nice. Lift is not too crazy so all it needs in the rockers is a bronze bushing trunion kit. LSA wise. in general a 113+4 will still be nice and streetable with a nice lope. 110 is choppy as hell. Great for a race car or if your 16-18 yrs old on the street. But that extreme choppiness gets old fast trying to drive slow around a city. I know someone that put an ASA cam in a LS3 crate motor for a restomod. Hated it. Finally stuck a Cam Motion titan II in it...awesome car now very driveable and fun. I tried to tell him...the ASA cam was a race cam... in light race cars...

07-03-2018, 04:54 PM	#9
zz430camaro Drives: 2015 1LE Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,498	The larger cams dont make that much more power than the smaller ones unless you do head work or switch to an aftermarket head with altered valve angles. The cam you have will work fine, its more important that its installed correctly and make sure you have ever bolt-on there is and pay attention to the details. Doing head work is a good idea, mill the heads to raise the compression as much as you can but still get good clearance. You are not going to make 500 rwhp with a automatic car sorry to tell ya.

07-03-2018, 08:16 PM	#10
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,090	Id go more stall over more cam. I daily a 5000 and want more.

07-03-2018, 09:22 PM	#11
Lsx_Matt Drives: 2012 Camaro 2ss Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 47	Balling on a budget to a point and with the stage 4 plus head work and every other small bolt on available 500 is doable considering it’s been done. But I just put the 3400 in is why I’m not to eager to pull it and spend the money to have it reflashed and more tune work due to I use a custom on site tuner. But after the talk I’m going to stick with the original plan and just use put the stage 2 in. I’m doing every supporting mod possible. I don’t roll race to often and I drive the car to the track, weekly car shows, and the gym every now and then just to do it. I’m only 20 so I love the loud chopping cam. But thanks for all your input. I’m going to stick with the stage 2 and maybe throw a 100 shot to it in the future.