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Old 02-27-2019, 03:39 AM   #71
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I've seen that more than once. They are looking to see if you have three pedals. You know, a cool Camaro.
One guy even said to me, as I came out of a store and caught him, "I see you have the stick shift!" "You can't buy a Camaro with an automatic," I replied. "Oh, I've seen them." "Well, I couldn't buy a Camaro with an automatic."




That's why all the imports are badged as RS. Chevy only shipped 2SS to Europe.
You can't blame the old dude. He has seen terror we can't even begin to imagine.
I understand. Besides, there is one concentration camp near my town.
I know the horrors of WW2 brought about.
But according to later information, the guy was a notorious complainant who complained about everything and everything.
The water is a little wet, the grass in the park is too green, the birds are too loud ... Just an unpopular pensioner.


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Old 02-27-2019, 06:41 AM   #72
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I've seen that more than once. They are looking to see if you have three pedals. You know, a cool Camaro.
One guy even said to me, as I came out of a store and caught him, "I see you have the stick shift!" "You can't buy a Camaro with an automatic," I replied. "Oh, I've seen them." "Well, I couldn't buy a Camaro with an automatic."




That's why all the imports are badged as RS. Chevy only shipped 2SS to Europe.
You can't blame the old dude. He has seen terror we can't even begin to imagine.
I have 2 pedals....and fbo...stall...geared tuned and tired Camaro with longtubes and Corsa Xtreme makes my car a fan fav everywhere I go. The cool factor is strong with my car.
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Old 02-27-2019, 09:27 AM   #73
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I get the usual nice car(s) compliment from my club members, so it is always nice to hear. Once during my romps with other club members, one co-member stated that he saw my car "squat" down as I was preparing for battle. I got a kick out of that comment as well.

Other than that I basically try to stay out of trouble. I get some random comments here and there at gas stations, and those are nice too.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:29 AM   #74
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I have 2 pedals....and fbo...stall...geared tuned and tired Camaro with longtubes and Corsa Xtreme makes my car a fan fav everywhere I go. The cool factor is strong with my car.
It's a dated argument anyway. It's common knowledge that modern automatics with paddles outperform manuals, so it's a choice between performance and driving experience.
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About a month ago I had a friend who wanted to ride in “Blue” as my kids have named it.(my 2 yr old son loves Jurassic park/world) So he hops in and we run around on the highway for a few minutes, I was taking it easy because it was cold out and I was waiting for the temps to come up. Once warm I went to an empty parking lot and turned the nannies off. I Dropped it down to sport mode and started using the paddles, burned em from a roll a few times nothing to crazy. So he says this is really bad car, I say you aint seen nothin yet. The parking lot wraps around all four sides of a building. I hung it out around one of the turns in second blowing the tires off almost looking at the building dead on thru the windshield. I gather it back up and head back to the highway. I’m laughing and giggling inside having the time of my life. I look over and he’s white as a ghost hanging on with a death grip. All he he could muster was dude your messed up who me?? Naw not at all!!! He told his wife I tried to kill himthat was about the end of that ride. I thought it was fun.
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Old 02-27-2019, 11:33 AM   #76
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It's a dated argument anyway. It's common knowledge that modern automatics with paddles outperform manuals, so it's a choice between performance and driving experience.
Dated? Hell ya. Freddy i stirring the pot. But i just can't let him off without a response.
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It's a dated argument anyway. It's common knowledge that modern automatics with paddles outperform manuals, so it's a choice between performance and driving experience.
This is an uninformed cliche response... Ask the type of racing application and get the proper set up information...

No, I’m not talking about average drivers on the street or occasional one night wonders (in their own minds). I’m talking about people who push the limits, whom aren’t afraid to break stuff, and dont whine about replacing a 50 dollar set of spark plugs...

I run standing Mile events... one mile, go as fast as you can, no track prep, DOT tires... with the weight of my car and the power I push, there isn’t an automatic made that survives the punishment. Yes a turbo 400 will handle a lot of abuse, but not for a mile... and if you wish to go fast, and still have a decent launch, you have to add a gearvendors type overdrive, which are sketchy at best at the power levels we run... one of the guys I run with runs an automatic with a gearvendors... it isn’t unusual for him to rebuild it two or three times in a weekend...

I’ve run a best 225.8, World record at the time, currently still sitting second fastest 5th Gen ever... I make 2000 + rwhp. I run a quad disc carbon billet clutch and a tr6060 trans with all billet components except 6th gear, which is factory stock.

So, no, an automatic will not always outperform a manual transmission...
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This is an uninformed cliche response... Ask the type of racing application and get the proper set up information...

No, I’m not talking about average drivers on the street or occasional one night wonders (in their own minds). I’m talking about people who push the limits, whom aren’t afraid to break stuff, and dont whine about replacing a 50 dollar set of spark plugs...

I run standing Mile events... one mile, go as fast as you can, no track prep, DOT tires... with the weight of my car and the power I push, there isn’t an automatic made that survives the punishment. Yes a turbo 400 will handle a lot of abuse, but not for a mile... and if you wish to go fast, and still have a decent launch, you have to add a gearvendors type overdrive, which are sketchy at best at the power levels we run... one of the guys I run with runs an automatic with a gearvendors... it isn’t unusual for him to rebuild it two or three times in a weekend...

I’ve run a best 225.8, World record at the time, currently still sitting second fastest 5th Gen ever... I make 2000 + rwhp. I run a quad disc carbon billet clutch and a tr6060 trans with all billet components except 6th gear, which is factory stock.

So, no, an automatic will not always outperform a manual transmission...
With out a doubt that’s one application where a manual is king. In nascar they are all still running 4 speeds for much the same reason I’m sure. That being said I have no desire to go to that level of performance in my street driven car so in the everyday driver world yes it’s a dated argument.
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This is an uninformed cliche response... Ask the type of racing application and get the proper set up information...

No, I’m not talking about average drivers on the street or occasional one night wonders (in their own minds). I’m talking about people who push the limits, whom aren’t afraid to break stuff, and dont whine about replacing a 50 dollar set of spark plugs...

I run standing Mile events... one mile, go as fast as you can, no track prep, DOT tires... with the weight of my car and the power I push, there isn’t an automatic made that survives the punishment. Yes a turbo 400 will handle a lot of abuse, but not for a mile... and if you wish to go fast, and still have a decent launch, you have to add a gearvendors type overdrive, which are sketchy at best at the power levels we run... one of the guys I run with runs an automatic with a gearvendors... it isn’t unusual for him to rebuild it two or three times in a weekend...

I’ve run a best 225.8, World record at the time, currently still sitting second fastest 5th Gen ever... I make 2000 + rwhp. I run a quad disc carbon billet clutch and a tr6060 trans with all billet components except 6th gear, which is factory stock.

So, no, an automatic will not always outperform a manual transmission...
You're describing the exception not the rule.

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With out a doubt that’s one application where a manual is king. In nascar they are all still running 4 speeds for much the same reason I’m sure. That being said I have no desire to go to that level of performance in my street driven car so in the everyday driver world yes it’s a dated argument.
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This is an uninformed cliche response... Ask the type of racing application and get the proper set up information...

No, I’m not talking about average drivers on the street or occasional one night wonders (in their own minds). I’m talking about people who push the limits, whom aren’t afraid to break stuff, and dont whine about replacing a 50 dollar set of spark plugs...

I run standing Mile events... one mile, go as fast as you can, no track prep, DOT tires... with the weight of my car and the power I push, there isn’t an automatic made that survives the punishment. Yes a turbo 400 will handle a lot of abuse, but not for a mile... and if you wish to go fast, and still have a decent launch, you have to add a gearvendors type overdrive, which are sketchy at best at the power levels we run... one of the guys I run with runs an automatic with a gearvendors... it isn’t unusual for him to rebuild it two or three times in a weekend...

I’ve run a best 225.8, World record at the time, currently still sitting second fastest 5th Gen ever... I make 2000 + rwhp. I run a quad disc carbon billet clutch and a tr6060 trans with all billet components except 6th gear, which is factory stock.

So, no, an automatic will not always outperform a manual transmission...

Man... well said! This is why you will not find me going back and forth on which is 'better'... Same also with that whole V6/V8 thing that pops up every now and then 'round here... its all relative!

For me... and to some I am very wrong lol, I will never get an auto V8 sport or muscle again (95 Z28 was auto... 99 Z28 was manual... 10 is manual... my 7th gen will be manual)... M6 for me.

Moving on........
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How 'bout passengers?


Now the interior doesn't seem like much on these rides... its obviously not as aesthetically pleasing as the exterior, but when you can have your passenger yell whooooaaaaah... that's priceless.... um, in Mexico...



(Work colleague who'd only been in my ride one other time... )
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You're describing the exception not the rule.



Actually, I described an exception....
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Now the interior doesn't seem like much on these rides... its obviously not as aesthetically pleasing as the exterior, but when you can have your passenger yell whooooaaaaah... that's priceless.... um, in Mexico...



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And 90 mph is almost the end of first gear.... It's actually ~~89% of first gear.... Shift point is 99.... at 9K rpm....
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With out a doubt that’s one application where a manual is king. In nascar they are all still running 4 speeds for much the same reason I’m sure. That being said I have no desire to go to that level of performance in my street driven car so in the everyday driver world yes it’s a dated argument.

Professional drag racing also mandates manual transmissions.
Not because an automatic won't withstand a single 1,000 (or 1320) foot run, but because driver skill is valued more than the vehicle.
Drivers are awarded the trophies.
We are all aware that a computer can react faster than any human, not only for shifting, but controlling wheelspin, steering, braking, etc.
Hell, drivers practice using a simulator in an effort to match the computer.
Where that fails during a race is when other drivers become involved, which, inevitably leads to incredible passes (or failures). Computers will always take the safest way, it takes risk to win.

Now, NASCAR is still a bit goofy. It took them eons before they would allow power steering. They still use an ice box and water bottles to cool drivers. And even today, they are probably the only professional racing organization that doesn't allow speed-limiters in pit lane. Which I, personally, feel is a safety factor.
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