Ls1 camaro vs new ls3 camaro

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

The ls6 intake makes a difference on the pre 2001 motors. The older cars had bigger cams to give them the same hp. An ls1 is an ls1 is an ls1, until you start modding them. Yes there were differences between the years, but they all pretty much equaled each other out.

x2... my truck cam isn't going to make the peak power that the pre 01 cams made with if we both had the same intake setup.

From the Corvette Action Center...
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/.../2001over.html

"models for 2001 get more horsepower from the standard LS1 V8 - 350hp (up from 345) - but the real story is a big boost in low-end torque"

"300 lb-ft is delivered at 1,000rpm - 400 rpm earlier than before"
"320 lb-ft is delivered at 1,400rpm - 800 rpm eariler than before"
"340 lb-ft is delivered at 2,500rpm - an amazing 1,400rpm earlier than before"

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

Shows y'all who think manual is the way to go, that it really isn't!

Slushbox FTL
You judge a car by what it traps, not the time. So LS3>L99

[SWAT 79]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Slushbox FTL
You judge a car by what it traps, not the time. So LS3>L99

While this is true, he's got no argument, the ls3 tied for the best time, with a better trap.

[KoTToN]

yes because trap speed wins races

i gotta start making a list here because ive been getting a few things wrong it seems.

so...

1/4 mile winners are from trap speed

handling = lateral g's only

and superiority = house party comments

...am i correct so far?

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Slushbox FTL
You judge a car by what it traps, not the time. So LS3>L99

trap speed is a better indicator of HP where as time is an indicator of the entire car working together as a whole

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by KoTToN

yes because trap speed wins races

i gotta start making a list here because ive been getting a few things wrong it seems.

so...

1/4 mile winners are from trap speed

handling = lateral g's only

and superiority = house party comments

...am i correct so far?

Yeah I tried to figure this one out as well.

[SWAT 79]

No, not exactly. Quarter mile is more from the skill of a driver, meaning a glory pass sure, the car is capable, but it takes the driver to do that. The trap speed, which is a biproduct of the quarter mile, tells more of the cars potential, because although it passes the quarter in the same time, the manual still has room to go where as the camaro does not (comparatively, obviously both camaros have great top end).

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

No, not exactly. Quarter mile is more from the skill of a driver, meaning a glory pass sure, the car is capable, but it takes the driver to do that. The trap speed, which is a biproduct of the quarter mile, tells more of the cars potential, because although it passes the quarter in the same time, the manual still has room to go where as the camaro does not (comparatively, obviously both camaros have great top end).

x2... of course Autos typically get more done with lower traps.

[Stew]

With the auto vs manual, the 6 sopeed auto is a really good transmission with really good ratios, it is going to be hard if not impossible to match shift speeds with a manual, this is why the auto is as quick with a lower trap IMHO. In any kind of roll race scenario though, the manual should have an advantage.

[SWAT 79]

Originally Posted by S8ER01Z

x2... of course Autos typically get more done with lower traps.

Very true, but for cars that run between low 11s and low 14s, the manual option for those cars performs better when used properly.

But for 10, 9, and 8 second cars, you want to have a damn good auto.

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

No, not exactly. Quarter mile is more from the skill of a driver, meaning a glory pass sure, the car is capable, but it takes the driver to do that. The trap speed, which is a biproduct of the quarter mile, tells more of the cars potential, because although it passes the quarter in the same time, the manual still has room to go where as the camaro does not (comparatively, obviously both camaros have great top end).

x2. Couldn't have worded it better myself

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by KoTToN

yes because trap speed wins races

i gotta start making a list here because ive been getting a few things wrong it seems.

so...

1/4 mile winners are from trap speed

handling = lateral g's only

and superiority = house party comments

...am i correct so far?

We aren't talking about winning races, we are talking about a car's potential.
Trap speed is a true indicator of a car's performance, it shows the power of the car, what speed it can get to in this distance.
Times are more of a meter of how well the driver is driving the car, and auto can shift faster than manuals in most cases, a roll race will usually go to the manual because of increased hp(in the case of the camaro) and gearing.
And as for the handling thing: Yea, so by your Nurburgring theory, the GTR outhandles a 911 Gt2...Uh, no.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

We aren't talking about winning races, we are talking about a car's potential.
Trap speed is a true indicator of a car's performance, it shows the power of the car, what speed it can get to in this distance.
Times are more of a meter of how well the driver is driving the car, and auto can shift faster than manuals in most cases, a roll race will usually go to the manual because of increased hp(in the case of the camaro) and gearing.
And as for the handling thing: Yea, so by your Nurburgring theory, the GTR outhandles a 911 Gt2...Uh, no.

I'd rather win a race than have a car with more "potential". Potential means nothing we you obviously couldn't reach it.

[KoTToN]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I'd rather win a race than have a car with more "potential". Potential means nothing we you obviously couldn't reach it.

Wow someone with sound logic. i would rather judge a car by what its accomplished, not by what it might do some day in a land far far away.

Yea, so by your Nurburgring theory, the GTR outhandles a 911 Gt2...Uh, no.

please, without youtube or driveway party comments, prove otherwise.