Is a 416 worth it? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

weSS1LEy · 11-13-2019, 12:24 PM

Seems like so many options, varying components, varying compression ratios etc. Would like more NA power though. Kits seem cheap but labour is probably through the roof!! Opinions?

Katech_Zach · 11-13-2019, 12:25 PM

I chose to build a 416 over a standard displacement LS3 for road racing purposes, the increased torque really helps our heavy cars move.

zz430camaro · 11-13-2019, 12:54 PM

I was just asking myself the same question. To make really good HP they need a larger head and a good intake.

Katech_Zach · 11-13-2019, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by zz430camaro

I was just asking myself the same question. To make really good HP they need a larger head and a good intake.

With more displacement you do need more airflow requirements, this is true. I used Katech CNC ported LS9 heads with our competition valve job setup. The next step up would be the LS7-styled cylinder heads with larger valves.

You will be good for 575-650 HP on ported LS3 heads if everything else is setup properly depending on application (assuming street intake, no hi-ram). Anything more you will need to go larger.

Juiced1 · 11-13-2019, 01:59 PM

N/A can get very expensive when all things are considered. I think that's why you see so many boosted cars these days. But if you're trying to build something for the track or something a little different a stroker set up is hard to beat. We can put a engine package together for you if you're interested.

KW Baraka · 11-13-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by weSS1LEy

Seems like so many options, varying components, varying compression ratios etc. Would like more NA power though. Kits seem cheap but labour is probably through the roof!! Opinions?

Buy an assembled, stroker (short block)….and sell your current engine to defray the costs.

Spec it for about 11.5:1 cr with stock(ish) size combustion chambers and .030" compressed head gaskets....and a cam to compliment such an engine.

Just my opinion.

KW

KW Baraka · 11-13-2019, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by zz430camaro

I was just asking myself the same question. To make really good HP they need a larger head and a good intake.

With ported heads and ported intake, 500hp/440tq to the wheels is doable with a medium cam....and that's with stock displacement.

The question is...…."what exactly does "really good HP" mean?"

KW

weSS1LEy · 11-13-2019, 03:04 PM

Good info! Anybody have average/ballpark hp gains with a 416? Say 40hp, 50tq? Just guessing

eLeSthree · 11-13-2019, 03:08 PM

Not knocking our sponsors but did you guys see the black friday sales going on at Thompson motorsports? Dart short blocks within reach...

hammdo · 11-13-2019, 03:09 PM

416 all day ;o)

-Don

G8One2 · 11-13-2019, 03:11 PM

A 416 should easily be able to hit 600+HP and around 500lbft of torque.

weSS1LEy · 11-13-2019, 03:13 PM

At the flywheel?

zz430camaro · 11-13-2019, 03:18 PM

From research I have done they average is 510 to 550 rwhp with a manual. Now if you go bolt ons extreme and light flywheel it would be more. Say your average cammed camaro is 480 rwhp, that's 1.27 hp/cubic inch. So with that being the same you would be at 531 rwhp.

A good shorter runner intake, large cam and great heads you can get upper 500's I'm sure

weSS1LEy · 11-13-2019, 03:36 PM

How about with the cam in my sig?

11-13-2019, 12:24 PM	#1
weSS1LEy weSS1LEy Drives: 2015 camaro 2ss/rs/1le Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna Posts: 510	Is a 416 worth it? Seems like so many options, varying components, varying compression ratios etc. Would like more NA power though. Kits seem cheap but labour is probably through the roof!! Opinions? __________________ Rotofab, arh no cats, atak, elite cc, 94 octane tune, Mobil 1, phastek scoop, custom cam 230/243 .621 .604 114+4, related cam kit stuff. 470/435 rwhp/rwtq

11-13-2019, 12:54 PM	#3
zz430camaro Drives: 2015 1LE Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,498	I was just asking myself the same question. To make really good HP they need a larger head and a good intake. __________________ 2015 1LE, TSP 225/236 113+3, VMAX Throttle Body, CAI with race scoop, GPI Ported Intake, Land Speed Stage 2 Heads, 1-7/8 headers, NPP exhaust, 25% Fluidampr, LT1-S Monster Clutch, 485 RWHP & 444 TQ

11-13-2019, 03:04 PM	#8
weSS1LEy weSS1LEy Drives: 2015 camaro 2ss/rs/1le Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna Posts: 510	Good info! Anybody have average/ballpark hp gains with a 416? Say 40hp, 50tq? Just guessing __________________ Rotofab, arh no cats, atak, elite cc, 94 octane tune, Mobil 1, phastek scoop, custom cam 230/243 .621 .604 114+4, related cam kit stuff. 470/435 rwhp/rwtq

11-13-2019, 03:08 PM	#9
eLeSthree Drives: 2011 Camaro SS 6sp Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Drivers Seat Posts: 1,905	Not knocking our sponsors but did you guys see the black friday sales going on at Thompson motorsports? Dart short blocks within reach... __________________ 2011 Camaro SS---SOLD TMS Dart 427 FED M311s, ESS Tuning G4 Blower, DSX Triple FP Assembly, DSX FF, FIC1300, Mcleod RXT 1200HD, Edlebrock Pro Flo XT 1158whp 1017wtq. 2010 CTS-V A6 - "Stock" SOLD 630whp 658wtq 2024 F-150 RCSB 5.0 4x4 waiting for tunes...

11-13-2019, 03:09 PM	#10
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	416 all day ;o) -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

11-13-2019, 12:25 PM	#2
Katech_Zach Drives: 14 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Clinton Twp, MI Posts: 483	I chose to build a 416 over a standard displacement LS3 for road racing purposes, the increased torque really helps our heavy cars move.

11-13-2019, 01:59 PM	#5
Juiced1 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 2SS CAMARO 45th Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: St. Charles, IL Posts: 18,648	N/A can get very expensive when all things are considered. I think that's why you see so many boosted cars these days. But if you're trying to build something for the track or something a little different a stroker set up is hard to beat. We can put a engine package together for you if you're interested.

11-13-2019, 03:11 PM	#11
G8One2 Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 492	A 416 should easily be able to hit 600+HP and around 500lbft of torque.

11-13-2019, 03:13 PM	#12
weSS1LEy weSS1LEy Drives: 2015 camaro 2ss/rs/1le Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna Posts: 510	At the flywheel? __________________ Rotofab, arh no cats, atak, elite cc, 94 octane tune, Mobil 1, phastek scoop, custom cam 230/243 .621 .604 114+4, related cam kit stuff. 470/435 rwhp/rwtq

11-13-2019, 03:18 PM	#13
zz430camaro Drives: 2015 1LE Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,498	From research I have done they average is 510 to 550 rwhp with a manual. Now if you go bolt ons extreme and light flywheel it would be more. Say your average cammed camaro is 480 rwhp, that's 1.27 hp/cubic inch. So with that being the same you would be at 531 rwhp. A good shorter runner intake, large cam and great heads you can get upper 500's I'm sure __________________ 2015 1LE, TSP 225/236 113+3, VMAX Throttle Body, CAI with race scoop, GPI Ported Intake, Land Speed Stage 2 Heads, 1-7/8 headers, NPP exhaust, 25% Fluidampr, LT1-S Monster Clutch, 485 RWHP & 444 TQ Last edited by zz430camaro; 11-13-2019 at 08:16 PM.

11-13-2019, 03:36 PM	#14
weSS1LEy weSS1LEy Drives: 2015 camaro 2ss/rs/1le Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna Posts: 510	How about with the cam in my sig? __________________ Rotofab, arh no cats, atak, elite cc, 94 octane tune, Mobil 1, phastek scoop, custom cam 230/243 .621 .604 114+4, related cam kit stuff. 470/435 rwhp/rwtq