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Media and police try to lump average people who go 10 MPH over the speed limit and that one crazy guy in Mustang together. https://youtu.be/2BKdbxX1pDw Yeah I get it, we are all sinners but there is a difference between a jaywalker and a murderer. Quote:
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Then again, Internet is a double edged sword in the sense that it promotes more reckless actions and it's easier to organize dangerous events with the media. Quote:
And I am not sure about America but I know the street racing penalties where I live is already pretty high. Not sure how you can make it worse without making the law look too unreasonable, even to your average person. We all know streetracing is wrong, but that doesn't mean a streetracer should be sentenced to life or worse. Let's be real here, people screw up in life, and that's why the punishment should be proportionate to what they have done. Otherwise, you make people who make minor infraction once into hardened criminals by sending them to jail and ruining their lives. Quote:
They fear the punishment but what happens when cops are not in sight? They speed right back up to how fast they were going. You know why some intersections actually saw more accidents after installation of red light/speed cameras? People slam on the brakes out of fear of the ticket, and bam, the guy behind them rear ends the car. Yep, definitely safer. You want people drive better? Teach them how to drive better. I have ridden with people who go way too slowly on a highway because they are scared of speeding which is way more dangerous than going 10 over. As someone said above, engineer the problem out of the way is better than forcing laws. It's just demand and supply. If there are people who demand stupid things, then there will be supplies of stupid things. Heck, the stricter punishment makes that dopamine hit from the thrill even harder.
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02-24-2021, 06:13 PM | #115 |
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You do realize that there's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, and that nothing really defines them as being identical.
The letter of the law means that every time you're observed driving at, say, 51 mph in a speed limit 50 mph zone you absolutely should get a ticket. The spirit of that same speed limit law allows the observing LEO to make a judgement call to not write you up for one over . . . or maybe even 9 over. Spirit = a little tolerance that depends on circumstances. Norm
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02-24-2021, 06:18 PM | #116 | ||
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But people of all ages being incapable of driving in the snow happens in the northeast, especially driving up/down hills they shouldn't have or being afraid to do so and would have been better staying home (which is not an option for many since they have to get to their service industry work which stays open in bad weather). I know i drove in the snow in my rear wheel drive camaro tons of times in nj/philly to get to my crappy job because they never closed and the roads were empty except for big trucks and me driving sideways everywhere. Quote:
Previous generations (if you're 30ish or less) are making the laws and who apparently were more manly and capable than the people who have now had to grow up under them. And they're state laws so who actually made them varies state to state, but they exist in much the same way everywhere when it comes to driving. I dont see that getting any more "free" until the robots are driving the cars. |
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People didn't just find out they shouldn't do it in the 90's and 00's because of the media. Quote:
I'm talking killing or severely injuring people in a car due to your actions as a driver that were under your control should not be treated as an "accident", they should be treated as assault with a deadly weapon and/or 2nd degree murder as everyone who gets in the driver seat should know they're in control of something that can kill multiple people in a single action. Instead of being treated as manslaughter or less. And that new liability being hammered home in drivers tests and when you register a vehicle etc. The complexity of driving and speeds that things happen etc should demand more responsibility from the driver, not give them excuses for why they should not be held accountable. Quote:
I wish it was something that could be done, but it hasn't happened for the past 30-40 years so I doubt it will happen until people can push the job off to machines. Quote:
engineering out the problem is gonna be even more fun for those who feel they have the skill to command the power of modern cars because that just means cars will be designed to max at the speed limit based on gps coordinates and auto-ticket you when you break the law (so it's like the cop is around all the time - so no worry about what happens when the cop leaves). i have no doubt that solution is coming as well, but that's not mutually exclusive ...they'll just do both. Stricter laws + engineered solutions. Eventually public transit will be acceptable for use at some point. |
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Sure it does. Law abiding people aren't driving a hundred miles an hour anywhere on public roads like this guy did.
Law abiding people aren't going to carry a gun if they're made illegal, only criminals will. That was my point. You can make all the laws you want to make, and the people who abide by laws will abide by them. Those who don't won't. |
02-24-2021, 07:54 PM | #119 | |
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since that's not true, the number who don't follow the law will be less in doing something than if the law didn't exist or existed with weaker punishments. |
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02-24-2021, 08:58 PM | #120 |
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Damn chiggeros.
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02-24-2021, 09:32 PM | #121 | |
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No is going to take our guns, and I’d actually welcome more compressive gun laws. |
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02-24-2021, 10:02 PM | #122 |
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Sandy Hook happened with stolen guns and a mentally ill person behind the trigger. Stealing guns is illegal and obtaining a gun when mentally unstable is illegal. What would you have done differently to restrict gun ownership to have prevented the tragedy to have happened when the events leading up to the tragedy were already illegal. Keep "common sense" restrictions away from constitutional freedoms.
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I will just say this: My Mom is a retired grade school teacher who taught 4th grade in the inner city of Cleveland for 30 years. If she could have she would have carried her gun to school and kept it on her, loaded, every day, all day. |
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02-24-2021, 10:44 PM | #124 |
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What do you mean. Believe my description of what I see every day?
How my own son drives around scared to get pulled over? Believe it or dont. That whats going on.
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I wish I could live in your world....
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Due to the lobby power of the drug companies that never gets a mention. Its always the gun. Then theres the medical association... almost universally anti gun...- but the estimates of medical malpractice deaths begin in the 200,000's and go over 400,000... compared to 30,000 gun deaths. 60% of which are suicides and the majority of the 40% left are gang or drug related. At least I dont see anyone talking about banning Camaros because some Ahole killed people with one. Maybe we should ban black Camaros with semi auto transmissions.
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