VARARAM & Chuck CoW tune dyno results!!!!!!!

[Verio]

Originally Posted by axis

BWHAHAHA, trying to prove you were right eh?

Read his words again, especially the part you red highlighted, he said LOW END RANGE. He said NOTHING about getting more peak HP which is what the Jannety test tested for.

Please keep your personal vendetta out of other peoples USEFUL threads.

Now back to our regular viewing.

[JANNETTYRACING]

392hp/398tq is Right in Line with What we are Seeing with Other cold air Kits and Tunes on LS3 Cars Good Job Chuck.

Where I have a Problem with these Astronomical Claims in Gains is the Very Low Base Numbers.

The Baseline Numbers are Very choppy Which Means this car must have been stuck on the Low Octane table, was Cold, or was experiencing Detonation due to Bad Fuel.

Programing the computer and clearing the fuel trims resets the Octane tables to High Otane timing.

Every LS3 Car we Dynoed came in between 372 and 379 RWHP with Very strong Mid Range Torque and Power.

Here is a Dyno Sheet on a stocker with Just a Cold Air inductions Bolted on NO Tuning.

Notice 389.3 RWHP and 388.5 RWTQ

[Davis]

Makes me very happy I'm #12 on the pre-order list!!

[PatrickfromMD]

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

I think what we need to find out from Chuck is how much his tune increased the lower RPM ranges. If he is not creating those big gains then the Vararam is a killer product.

We have to admit that off the line torque and HP is what is really needed and most of us will feel in butt-o-meter every day. Peak HP and torque is great and all but I want to see how it affects the car in day in day out driving. Sure would like to see a L99 car tested with a no tune Vararam.

I 2nd that, in fact, I'll volunteer hehe.

[POWERFREAK]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Where I have a Problem with these Astronomical Claims in Gains is the Very Low Base Numbers.

The Baseline Numbers are Very choppy Which Means this car must have been stuck on the Low Octane table, was Cold, or was experiencing Detonation due to Bad Fuel.

Chuck had EFI live plugged in and was monitoring each run...he was surprised how good the stock tune was. If there was any problems in the way it was running, he would have seen it. AFR was in the 12's. Car was not cold and if there was bad fuel, it was in there for all the dyno pulls. As you know, ALL dyno's are different.

I've got nothing to gain by this, just passing along the info...I have no ties to Vararam and have never owned their intakes before. Chuck swears by their products and he hooked me up with the test unit. If I seem like a "Vararam fanboy", it's because I know how much better my car runs now.

[Scott@Bjorn3D]

They should send me one to test on #230. We have followed her issue since we figured out the octane table reset problems in the computer and the fuse pull we came up with for PQ and others.


I will give you a good and honest butt-o-meter test.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

Chuck had EFI live plugged in and was monitoring each run...he was surprised how good the stock tune was. If there was any problems in the way it was running, he would have seen it. AFR was in the 12's. Car was not cold and if there was bad fuel, it was in there for all the dyno pulls. As you know, ALL dyno's are different.

I've got nothing to gain by this, just passing along the info...I have no ties to Vararam and have never owned their intakes before. Chuck swears by their products and he hooked me up with the test unit. If I seem like a "Vararam fanboy", it's because I know how much better my car runs now.

Amen.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

Chuck had EFI live plugged in and was monitoring each run...he was surprised how good the stock tune was. If there was any problems in the way it was running, he would have seen it. AFR was in the 12's. Car was not cold and if there was bad fuel, it was in there for all the dyno pulls. As you know, ALL dyno's are different.

I've got nothing to gain by this, just passing along the info...I have no ties to Vararam and have never owned their intakes before. Chuck swears by their products and he hooked me up with the test unit. If I seem like a "Vararam fanboy", it's because I know how much better my car runs now.

I am not suggesting you are a Fanboy, Just working with Facts only Nothing Personal I assure you.

Dyno's Don't Vary That Much and I am sure that Chucks Dyno is Accurate.

OK then lets get some details, How many baseline pulls were made?
Where the fuel trims cleared before the baseline pull and was there a drive cycle to stablize them.
What was the water and Oil Temperature on the baseline pull.

It takes 3-4 pulls to get a good baseline to compare to as we did in our CAI tests.

Then we take the BEST Baseline pull and compare it to the BEST after install or tune.

There seems to be an epidemic of Low Baseline to finished product comparisons which I don't think is Fair, Honest or Accurate.

The Community deserves to Know the Truth and Nothing but the Truth So Help Me God.

I would Say Remove the CAI and install the Stock Air box Clear memory, drive cycle and retest for accurate baseline.

LS3s make 372-379 RWHP
L99s make 330-340 RWHP

Ted.

[PatrickfromMD]

Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

Chuck had EFI live plugged in and was monitoring each run...he was surprised how good the stock tune was. If there was any problems in the way it was running, he would have seen it. AFR was in the 12's. Car was not cold and if there was bad fuel, it was in there for all the dyno pulls. As you know, ALL dyno's are different.

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Mike, Awesome write-up and results. I can’t wait for one myself.

Ted did have an Interesting observation though (a bit choppy on the baseline ).
But correct me if I’m wrong, I’m pretty sure the stock tune would have been flashed in right before the baseline run (indicating as Ted says, it should be using the high octane tables), as I presume you have been running around these many weeks with the VARARAM with Chucks corresponding tune, and you all swapped in the stock system and tune at the dyno shop for the baseline.
Agree , probibly not bad fuel as it would have been hard to tune for performance on the subsequent run.
In any event, I’m sure the log should clear up any questions if they still remain.

P.S. Where are the pics/video , you own a camera right? Haha (inside joke)
P.S.S if you think the Dynojet posted low numbers, don't go near the Superflow I ran on, there a M6 car is in the 340s (and an A6 car around 305 )

[matt55]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Dyno's Don't Vary That Much

LS3s make 372-379 RWHP
L99s make 330-340 RWHP

Ted.

Ill have to dissagree with that 1st part .(In my car Ive seen 40 whp from dyno at diff times on the same dyno , but trap speed was allways the same , it was a Mustang dyno . In the evo world the LOWEST and HIGHEST reading dynos are Mustang's with Dynojet being the most consistent)

Ive seen 2 SS MS make 365 or less on a Dynojet .

[mr_desmo]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

I am not suggesting you are a Fanboy, Just working with Facts only Nothing Personal I assure you.

Dyno's Don't Vary That Much and I am sure that Chucks Dyno is Accurate.

OK then lets get some details, How many baseline pulls were made?
Where the fuel trims cleared before the baseline pull and was there a drive cycle to stablize them.
What was the water and Oil Temperature on the baseline pull.

It takes 3-4 pulls to get a good baseline to compare to as we did in our CAI tests.

Then we take the BEST Baseline pull and compare it to the BEST after install or tune.

There seems to be an epidemic of Low Baseline to finished product comparisons which I don't think is Fair, Honest or Accurate.

The Community deserves to Know the Truth and Nothing but the Truth So Help Me God.

I would Say Remove the CAI and install the Stock Air box Clear memory, drive cycle and retest for accurate baseline.

LS3s make 372-379 RWHP
L99s make 330-340 RWHP

Ted.

Exactly ted...this intake produces power oven stock but the way they show it, it produces more power then running just the throttle body which is IMPOSSIBLE...nor will an intake with a scoop that takes the whole front end area of the car is going to create any positive pressure over the vacume of the engine...at speed air is turbulent but as a post that has been done about ram air at less then say 250mph theres no positive pressure...

Efficient cold air but look at texas speed who runs an engine dyno with just throttle body...he did get power by removing the intake and rinng just longtubes...but on the engine dyno with all that the engine was making 470hp...

[mr_desmo]

Fun thing is looks like this intake will be released for christmas and everybody whants to have an impossibly big present!!!!!!!!

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by PatrickfromMD

P.S.S if you think the Dynojet posted low numbers, don't go near the Superflow I ran on, there a M6 car is in the 340s (and an A6 car around 305 )

Mine is a Superflow.

[2L8IWON]

Quoting POWERFREAK -
Baseline was done first...totally stock. Made 360hp/352tq.

We than swapped in the tune and the Vararam intake, and ran it again...some nice gains...peak 392hp/398tq. The highest gains (most impressively) were at 4200rpm....+46hp/+57tq


I've been confused and questioning the numbers on your first post. +46hp/+57tq added to the baseline figures should have brought it over 400HP and I never saw numbers over 400 anywhere including the charts. 392-360=32 and 398-352=46.
Shouldn't you have stated +32hp/+46tq with the "tune only" intake and Chuck tune?

I'm not picking bones here, just trying to keep my sanity and math skills in tact.
Also, regardless of any numbers, it's obvious that the intake will create good gains. I think all the controversy is only making the order list longer. I wish Vararam could hire some additional hands to help get the product out the door quicker. Been tested and argued to be so great. Quit the teasing and begin the delivering!