10-16-2022, 03:25 PM | #1 |
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Titanium vs steel retainers
When do you really need titanium retainers and how much do they really benefit you with a smaller vvt cam?
Just wondering experiences. I was told I don't need them for my cam as it has a 216-228 duration and max 620s lift but I wanted to see what the pros and cons of them are from those who have done them before. Price difference is about $70 dollars between them. Thanks |
10-19-2022, 08:30 AM | #2 |
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The difference comes in when you're running much higher RPM, as the titanium material lowers the dynamic weight of the valvetrain. I'm guessing you have an L99? So your intake valves are heavier, and you might benefit from titanium at a lower RPM. What spring package you run makes a difference as well, as a dual spring setup needs a physically larger retainer, where the switch to titanium makes more sense from a weight savings standpoint. I'm running BTR .660 duals, and I opted for a titanium retainer for that reason. However, if you have a beehive or conical spring package, the switch from steel to titanium may not save enough weight to be worth it, unless you're shooting for max RPM. Hope this helps.
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10-19-2022, 10:17 AM | #3 |
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^^^^ concur on this. Plus titanium is harder and stronger than steel. And will last longer.
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10-20-2022, 10:15 AM | #4 |
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10-20-2022, 11:46 AM | #5 |
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Titanium is also more brittle than steel IIRCC
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10-20-2022, 03:49 PM | #6 |
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This was fun. Theres what happened when a rocker got snapped.
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10-20-2022, 07:15 PM | #7 |
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Got me curious, so I had to check it out. Interesting reading.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=which+...415be5908fc2aa
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10-20-2022, 07:19 PM | #8 |
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What the heck,kinda makes me wish I went with steel instead of Titanium now !
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10-20-2022, 08:25 PM | #9 |
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Stage 4 and custom cams for high rpm I would never consider steel retainers.
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10-21-2022, 08:52 AM | #10 |
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Chris, I forgot to ask yesterday, what the heck caused that failure?? Wow..
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10-22-2022, 12:26 PM | #11 | |
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Quote:
I've been wanting to go to a T&D shaft mount rocker for a while, but ya know. $$$$
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10-24-2022, 09:46 PM | #12 |
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I recently saw tool steel retainers from a few different manufacturers, ie Lunati, Comp.
Are these different from the 'steel' retainers all manufacturers offer?
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10-25-2022, 09:56 AM | #13 |
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I put 45k miles on my TSP springs with ti retainers and only replaced the springs. I reused everything else.
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Quote:
https://sage-answers.com/what-is-the..._regular_steel
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