Enthusiasts sleeping on Z28

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Originally Posted by LateBrakeU2

Glad I own one, not many out there, could care less what others think.

Amen!!!

[LateBrakeU2]

Originally Posted by JayZed

Agree, glad I own one too, and the high price certainly had an impact.

But the 2000 SVT Cobra was the roughly same price $54,999 ($71,000 in 2014 dollars) compared with the 2001 C5 Z06 Vette that was available mid-2000 at $50,500 ($65,000 in 2014 dollars). Yet every SVT Mustang sold before they hit the lots. But the Vette was way faster and more liveable as a daily driver and pretty special in its own right. So people had options then too but it didn't seem to matter for the Mustang sales of a very similar car to our Z's.

So I still think that marketing is the biggest factor. Everyones grandma knows how the GT350 was born. No one, except for old farts like me, know that the Z28 was simply an option code that created a homologation special that allowed Chev to compete in the SCCA Trans Am series against those same GT350 Mustangs. The Z28 was created as a street-going race car. GM never embellished that story or kept it alive, or built on it, through all of the iterations of Z's. But Ford sure milked the whole Shelby thing.

Ford knows how to market, GM never got that memo. Shelby's are a brand with rabid faithful enthusiasts, GM killed a similar loyalty with cancelling the brand, twice. GM's not dumb, they knew what they were doing with the Z. They had a few thousand LS7's sitting on pallets at Wixom that really couldn't go in to any newer models because of emissions. Along comes Al and the rest is history. First line built 427 in a Camaro since 69, and most certainly the last.

[FASTFATBOY]

Originally Posted by Silveradoss573

I thought when Chevy came out with the 1LE package back in 2013, Camaro owners especially those that do track day events etc. wanted a all out track car which in turn gave way to the Z28?

Apparently they didn't want that as the Z28 didn't sell. I have yet to see one at a track day event or even an autocross.

[FASTFATBOY]

Originally Posted by ZED/28

it's not that noone wanted them - noone wanted to pay $75k for them in 2014.
when the prices dropped, people bought them all.
GM lost $ on it.

You mean after a good percentage of them sat on lots for 1-2 years because no one wanted them? Some were sold in the low 50K range.

Most people who bought them were collectors who put them up, not people who actually drove them and almost none actually put one on a race track.

Will the average value rise? I think it will, but currently and alluding to this threads title, no one is "sleeping" on these cars. They won't be the next GNX as far as money over initial sticker for many many years to come.

Pretty much a flatline for the last 4 years, this small incremental trend will continue for a loooong time for the nice examples.
https://www.classic.com/m/chevrolet/camaro/5th-gen/z28/

[ZED/28]

Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY

You mean after a good percentage of them sat on lots for 1-2 years because no one wanted them? Some were sold in the low 50K range.

Most people who bought them were collectors who put them up, not people who actually drove them and almost none actually put one on a race track.

Will the average value rise? I think it will, but currently and alluding to this threads title, no one is "sleeping" on these cars. They won't be the next GNX as far as money over initial sticker for many many years to come.

Pretty much a flatline for the last 4 years, this small incremental trend will continue for a loooong time for the nice examples.
https://www.classic.com/m/chevrolet/camaro/5th-gen/z28/

Yes after they sat for 1-2 years.....
What is $75k worth now 10 years later??
Like I said - GM lost $ on them even at $75k I bet.
I'd still take it over any other "road track ready" car today - GT500, GT350R, ZL1 1LE.

Yes those may be "better" but even Chris Harris misses his to this day and it is still one of his favorite cars ever - and he's driven them ALL!

Mine is a Lingenfelter Z28 and is an absolute monster and just as reliable as a stock one.

[highrevving]

He was comparing to GT3RS from Drive episode:

[ZED/28]

Originally Posted by highrevving

He was comparing to GT3RS from Drive episode:

Yep then he bought one.

It just went up for sale again recently IIRC by guy who bought it after him.

[SIM GhostrdrZ]

Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY

You mean after a good percentage of them sat on lots for 1-2 years because no one wanted them? Some were sold in the low 50K range.

Most people who bought them were collectors who put them up, not people who actually drove them and almost none actually put one on a race track.

Will the average value rise? I think it will, but currently and alluding to this threads title, no one is "sleeping" on these cars. They won't be the next GNX as far as money over initial sticker for many many years to come.

Pretty much a flatline for the last 4 years, this small incremental trend will continue for a loooong time for the nice examples.
https://www.classic.com/m/chevrolet/camaro/5th-gen/z28/

Myself as many others have really enjoyed your criticism. I always listen and put a lot of weight on anyone’s point of view on cars. I rank it up there with high school bullies or peer pressure, pointless and I learned back then life is full of a$$’s and their opinions are worth what you pay for them.

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[GeneRoss]

Originally Posted by highrevving

There were not many unique exterior/interior parts to differentiate Z from regular Camaro.

I find that kinda surprising.

People stop and ask me about the car pretty often. IMO to me it looks like one of the most aggressive cars out there even to this day.

[joelster]

Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY

Apparently they didn't want that as the Z28 didn't sell. I have yet to see one at a track day event or even an autocross.

I race the shit out of mine at autocrosses all over the northeast. I've only run into 1 other 5th gen Z/28 in the past 6 years.

side-note.......Are you the guy that had the black LT1 4th gen from Ls1tech back in the day? I remember the screen name. You were always a good dude, and put up with tons of shit from the troll-losers in there lol.

[GeneRoss]

Originally Posted by ZED/28

Yes after they sat for 1-2 years.....
What is $75k worth now 10 years later??
Like I said - GM lost $ on them even at $75k I bet.
I'd still take it over any other "road track ready" car today - GT500, GT350R, ZL1 1LE.

Yes those may be "better" but even Chris Harris misses his to this day and it is still one of his favorite cars ever - and he's driven them ALL!

Mine is a Lingenfelter Z28 and is an absolute monster and just as reliable as a stock one.

The only one really better from above mentioned is the ZL1 1LE.

The car that was designed to the replace the Z/28. They even share the same suspension set up and design.

[LateBrakeU2]

Originally Posted by GeneRoss

The only one really better from above mentioned is the ZL1 1LE.

The car that was designed to the replace the Z/28. They even share the same suspension set up and design.

I agree. I already have my Z, have a ZL1LE on order. IMO these two are the most significant performance Camaro's ever built,certainly of the last 50+ years. That's not based on h.p., but the overall unique nature of the builds.

[FASTFATBOY]

Originally Posted by joelster

I race the shit out of mine at autocrosses all over the northeast. I've only run into 1 other 5th gen Z/28 in the past 6 years.

side-note.......Are you the guy that had the black LT1 4th gen from Ls1tech back in the day? I remember the screen name. You were always a good dude, and put up with tons of shit from the troll-losers in there lol.

Yep, I'd be that guy.

Believe it or not that car is out in Port Arthur Tx and almost the same as I built it when it was in GM and High Tech Performance Magazine, a buddy is trying to buy it from the guy.

[GeneRoss]

Originally Posted by LateBrakeU2

I agree. I already have my Z, have a ZL1LE on order. IMO these two are the most significant performance Camaro's ever built,certainly of the last 50+ years. That's not based on h.p., but the overall unique nature of the builds.

Completely agree.

The Z/28 looks the most badass out of all of them.

Congrats on the ZL1LE.