02-14-2023, 06:24 PM | #491 |
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I’ve got to sign off for the foreseeable future, real life is calling with bad things that take precedence. Take care all, even my British not-friend. Kiss your loved ones, you never know how much time they have.
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02-14-2023, 07:16 PM | #492 | |
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I'm an enthusiast at heart but I plan to hopefully purchase an EV of some kind before I retire in a few years for the family as I plan to be an early adopter as long as I can afford one.
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02-14-2023, 07:58 PM | #493 |
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Wish you well buddy. You’re absolutely right about real life taking precedence. On that we can agree.
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02-15-2023, 01:02 AM | #494 |
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Catching up a lot. Cost and risks.
Why on earth is there 4 transverse front motor platforms? It looks like a bad overspend. How can vehicles with cheap constants of, unibody, 4 decades w/ strut front suspensions and 2+ decades w/ rear PTO awd be a development burden? Why would a fwd EV (new)newBlazer exist? Are these not premium vehicles for the not super affluent? A Bev3 Ultium skeptic would question if it is investor spin for unavoidably different vehicles, or conversely too similar and costly for less pricey ('Nox & smaller) segments. Is cell R&D not factored in as an ongoing cost? The housing environment doesn't change quickly. Why would small-time landlords want to install chargers? Or anyone with mostly short drives? Bolt has a long amortization from a Mirage and, as linked, some do pay more for kWh than fuel. It is still a high inflation time. EVs are much more mineral dependent, and have yet to grab the big chunk of market share. Ford admitted the Mach-E profits were inflation squeezed already. Gov deficit spending could fan inflation, while incentives only assist the upper middle class. Incentives toward EV that is heralded as a market inevitability, Why? |
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It is for the battery manufacturer. Sometimes the battery manufacturer is the vehicle OEM. GM/Ultium as an example. Most times they are different companies. Stellantis / Samsung SDI is an example. In such cases it’s part of the part purchase price for the vehicle manufacturer. Quote:
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As far as the IRA incentives, they are not focused on upper middle class. They are focused on middle class and below. When we eventually get our Blazer EV SS we will probably not qualify for the incentive because our household income will exceed the IRA max for household income. Newsflash… We are not super-affluent. Probably on the lower end of upper middle class. The car will qualify for incentives but we won’t qualify because of income. The main purpose of the incentives is to motivate manufacturers to make the cars and batteries in the US, or at least in North America and to shift the market dynamics of the minerals sourcing to include the US and/or free trade partners and push back on Chinese sourcing. Question#1 is “Where is the vehicle made”? Question#2 is “Where is the battery made”?. If either of those answers is anywhere but North America (jobs), no soup for you. Vehicle doesn’t qualify. The next question is Question#3 “What is the price of the vehicle?” If it’s a car more than $55,000 there’s no need to go any further. Doesn’t qualify. If it’s a truck or SUV over $80,000 there’s no need to go any further. Doesn’t qualify. This is to stop providing incentives for $100k Lucid Air, Tesla Plaid, and Hummer EV. The next question is Question#4 “What is your household income from the AGI line on your tax return? If it’s more than $150k for an individual, $225k for a head of household, or $300k for a family filing a joint return (solidly middle class, not upper middle) there is no need to go any further. The car may qualify, but you don’t.
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02-15-2023, 09:47 AM | #496 | |
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I'm assuming you have a reservation. Have you heard anything? It's been radio silence for me. I bet we'll see it pushed back with materials and production delays.
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02-15-2023, 10:27 AM | #497 |
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Martinjlm,
So, the metal metal chair in a parallel parking spot may eventually become a nation wide oddity I still think of 6 figures as upper middle, maybe that's pre-stagflation thinking. I was referring to Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, Chi. Fwd vehicles that have engine weight in front of the front axle that helps standing traction. Before the financial crisis, people knew not to overpay for front drive. This seems the reverse in some ways. It's still a strategy gamble. I think GM wants incentives to support their market for very premium EVs, and a position that evokes a laptop or cell phone make. But how many people do you know that went into last year with an Eclair or Gingerbread phone? The average auto is lasting 12-ish years anymore. That type of EV just doesn't seem great for the budget minded. Incentives still seem a better fit for erevs and plug-ins only. Because it helps the extra production costs, and has a much lighter resource need, gives flexibilty of source. Screw that, I'd much rather see incentives for a US-made, dogleg 1st, 7-speed stick transmission for a real next gen & friends. Is your 15 mpg number from gas or flex fuel? |
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FlexFuel. E85 unless I’m traveling someplace where E85 is unavailable.
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I had wondered if your trips were that high leverage on time, to drive at 15 mpg gas.
Typo. Metal folding chair. To hold one's parking place in reserve, particularly after shoveling. Common in the very small neighborboods of the Pittsburgh area. 12 year old phone. Do you know anyone that used them that old? Old tech hardware lags, crashes, and app support ends. Old cars need to work to have value. There's probably another EV level between what a Lyriq is, what a cheaper Bolt could be, what a Model 3 is. I don't mind seeing premium stuff excel. Muscle Cars and Trucks had an article reporting the Hummer had declined offering a dual port charging capability. If they would carry that idea downmarket by trimming other specs, and there was a network for it? Maybe the Ultium battery module idea makes dual charging more possible than Tesla building for battery cost with big 4680 cells. Ford building Li iron phosphate cells is also interesting. |
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Last week I got to drive the Genesis GV60. It ranges $59 - 69k. Chevrolet is bringing the Equinox EV (starting at $30k) and the Blazer EV (low $40s - mid $60s) and the Mustang Mach E is already available in the low $40s - mid $50s range.
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02-15-2023, 06:37 PM | #502 |
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Don’t see why. There will be ICE vehicles around at least up until I take up residence in an ornate urn. And that ain’t happening for quite a while if I get my way.
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As long as they don't start hitting 60k also
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