What mods for an 700rwhp L99 Camaro?

[RupertPupkin]

Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

This is why I don't understand how anyone can have a car approaching 1000hp with all the right supporting mods and not build it themselves. Shops want crazy money these days and if you build it yourself, they don't want to tune your build. I might have 37k all in with a built turbo LS3, level VII M6 w/Mantic triple, ZL1 diff with GForce Outlaws, two stage nitrous w/Nano, E85 conversion, meth, Z28 suspension and factory Recaros. It's still probably not 37k and I've fd some stuff up over the years, hell still doing it. I'm not rich, but I make pretty good money and I could not even imagine spending 80k on an engine without having sponsors.

I personally have no time hence I'd rather pay. Also factor in the lack of skillset and tools. Changing oil/brakes/basic maintenance is an easy task compared to tearing down an engine.

[RupertPupkin]

Originally Posted by 1JEWLDSSRS

Not to think about all the suspension components and drive train components he will need to keep from breaking drive train parts, AND get the power to the ground so it can all be used, and not blown up in a smoke show.

Having been in a smoke show, it's awesome during, but not after the fact. Lol went from 0 to EXPENSIVE real quick.

[FasNuf]

WOW! 60K for an engine.
Look at what 40-50K will get you at Late Model Engines

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[JAFWF]

Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

I personally have no time hence I'd rather pay. Also factor in the lack of skillset and tools. Changing oil/brakes/basic maintenance is an easy task compared to tearing down an engine.

+1




A man needs to know his limitations, I am not a mechanic, never wanted to be one. Have a great friend who does all my wrench work, it's what he does for a living. Don't mind paying him for his work, I know it's done right, and there has never been a problem with his work.

[silversleeper]

Hp is one thing. Reliable Hp is a different and more important topic.
If you own a V6 Camaro and want more than 10 hp improvement better just buy a V8 SS.
If you have a V8 SS and look for more than 150hp I'd suggest just getting a ZL1. It's not just hp and $ it costs it is a reliable drivetrain and everything works without needing new valvesprings each year. Resale or retained value is something to consider too. Even if you say I'll never sell it I just got off the phone with insurance who is scrapping my daily driver (not Camaro) due to someone ramming me as I drove straight down the street. They are just going to give u X value and good luck if it's worth more.
If you want many hundreds of hp more than is safe to upgrade a ZL1 its better to just build or buy a race car. They are past reliability in the engine and drivetrain at eg 1000 wheel hp. I don't know if there is a concensus of max reliable hp on a ZL1, I think people have said between 700-850whp.


Edit; and I don't trust most performance shops these days. Even if they have a great owner and reputation you might get their new hire to do a crap job on your car. They will seldom admit breakage is their fault.

[Dvloo]

Thanks for the answers already!

I expect about 15K (EUR) for supercharging and 8K for LS3 convertion with cam, not sure what kind of cost to expect for the rest but you guys have given me a good total expectation.
I'm not rich or anything but I'm willing to spend some money on it (I'm an 22 year old entrepreneur / student lol so it might take some time but thats alright).

I don't know how to mod the car myself yet but I want to learn. If you have any tips for learning please let me know!

[Dvloo]

Originally Posted by Blue 13

He also asked for track level handling. The trans isn’t taking that at least for long. Axels. Rear diff. Etc. a decent supercharger system, without doing a cam and all the top end internal components is $7-10k plus E85, injectors, fuel pump, it keeps going. I’m sure you can somehow do it for $15k, but you won’t be doing it for long.

With internal components do you mean upgrades like a stroker kit or?

[Dvloo]

Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

This is why I don't understand how anyone can have a car approaching 1000hp with all the right supporting mods and not build it themselves. Shops want crazy money these days and if you build it yourself, they don't want to tune your build. I might have 37k all in with a built turbo LS3, level VII M6 w/Mantic triple, ZL1 diff with GForce Outlaws, two stage nitrous w/Nano, E85 conversion, meth, Z28 suspension and factory Recaros. It's still probably not 37k and I've fd some stuff up over the years, hell still doing it. I'm not rich, but I make pretty good money and I could not even imagine spending 80k on an engine without having sponsors.

Two stage nitrous, whats that? I heard Nitrous could also be used for some sort of cooling that made me interested.

[Dvloo]

Originally Posted by Eddymel1998

I remember doing research while back on the auto transmission since that's what I have, to handle higher power you need some sort of cooling for the transmission fluid, I think at minimum a deeper pan maybe a trans oil cooler, then on top of that there are kits for replacing the little clutches inside the transmission itself that need to be upgraded otherwise the stock ones will start slipping and taking other things with them.

Do you know what kind of upgrades I should be doing for my trans/drivetrain?

[morepowerjoe]

I have about 15k in just parts for my rebuild including the reliability for boost or nitrous in the future. Capable of 1000 hp, I don't want to even approach that power level for the sake like others have stated because of the drivetrain requirements. Another thing is traction. With what I have now I can't even get any N/A and that's with Nitto 555r's, the best tire for drag racing but not the worst either but I can't even imagine trying to get 7-800 hp to hook up. So I figure another 10K in parts for boost but that doesn't include any upgraded drivetrain parts like the tranny, diff, or axles probably another 10k in parts. With my path of over 700whp I'm looking at a grand total of around $35k in just parts no labor. So you can see how quickly you can spend money.

As far as learning how to do the work is just to do the work. Experience is the key which I'm assuming you don't currently have much. Good tools are really good to have, and good quality parts are a must. There's plenty of you tube videos to help you along the way and all data is a diy web site that has everything you'll need to help you as well as diagnosing issues, procedures, torque values and a lot more. So you just got to dive into it and take your time read and read as much as you can. This forum is a great place to start with past and current member journals on builds.

[morepowerjoe]

As for as engine internals, forged bottom end. A two stage nitrous kit is just that it comes on in two stages. Transmission upgrades will be like upgraded clutches and a torque converter is a must (others will have to comment), and upgraded axles and maybe a differential.

[Dvloo]

Originally Posted by morepowerjoe

As for as engine internals, forged bottom end. A two stage nitrous kit is just that it comes on in two stages. Transmission upgrades will be like upgraded clutches and a torque converter is a must (others will have to comment), and upgraded axles and maybe a differential.

Thanks for the advice! What do you mean with (it comes in 2 stages?) don't know much about nitrous. Or is it just two bottles instead of 1?

[acutron42]

Add about 5k for headache meds.

[SlowLS1]

Originally Posted by morepowerjoe

As far as learning how to do the work is just to do the work. Experience is the key which I'm assuming you don't currently have much. Good tools are really good to have, and good quality parts are a must. There's plenty of you tube videos to help you along the way and all data is a diy web site that has everything you'll need to help you as well as diagnosing issues, procedures, torque values and a lot more. So you just got to dive into it and take your time read and read as much as you can. This forum is a great place to start with past and current member journals on builds.

You hit on some really good points, here is my take on it.

First and foremost, you must have the right tools for the job you are doing! Quality work requires 3 things:

-Quality parts. Spend a little extra now to save a lot of headache later.

-Quality tools. Have the proper tool to perform a specific function. Quality of the tool matters. They pay for themselves in the long run.

Quality craftsmanship. Nobody starts with experience. It comes with time spent doing the task. The work is not hard if you have good common sense and have basic mechanical ability. Know the process before you do it ( A lot of research ahead of time). Acquire the proper tools before starting work. Have a game plan when it goes sideways. (It will). Work safe and enjoy the time learning and spent with your car.

IMO those are the 3 requirements to do all the work to your car vs paying a shop a ton of money and hoping they do it right.

If you *can* do this ( some people just can't) then you are only out the cost of parts + 25%

The additional 25% hopefully covers mistakes (they will be made, everybody makes them) and nickel and dime parts that most people don't factor into as an expense. These parts would be things like fluids, nuts, bolts, clamps, shop rags, and other misc parts.

For example, I will be starting a TT setup this winter. I have acquired all the parts so far that I expect I will need. All together it's 14k in parts not counting the nickel and dime parts. I have 6k in transmission parts purchased. My next purchase will be diff, axles, and driveshaft.

All in all, I will have easily spent 25k to make an easy 800rwhp on SBE.

Be warned, it's a bottomless pit that consumes time and money. The more you want to make, the faster it consumes both. I fully expect to be north of 40K by the time I build a motor and things I have not considered yet. It's not for the weak of stomach and should be considered an investment into your happiness. Think long and hard about how happy this will make you.

Brian