Electric Vehicles

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Check the list of Top 25 vehicles sold in America and then list which ones of those advertise on TV. I’ll give the list of the Top 25 and I’ll even spot you three…Silverado, F150, Ram. You’ll be hard pressed to find three others that advertise on TV. And yet, they sell. That’s how important TV advertising is for car sales. A couple things really surprised me about this list. Subaru has (3) models on the list. That may have something to do with advertising. But they don’t advertise the three vehicles on the list. They advertise the company’s support of the National Park system and their support of animal focused organizations. The whole “dog-friendly” thing. The other is that Camry and Civic are the only two cars in the top 10 (Corolla is #11). For years they were each number 1, 2, or 3 on the list.

So, my question is…”If advertising on TV is so all important, how did most of these vehicles get on the Top 25 list without advertising on TV?”

1. Ford F-Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado
3. Toyota RAV4
4. Tesla Model Y
5. Honda CR-V
6. Ram pickup
7. Toyota Camry
8. GMC Sierra
9. Nissan Rogue
10. Honda Civic
11. Toyota Corolla
12. Jeep Grand Cherokee
13. Chevrolet Equinox
14. Ford Explorer
15. Subaru Forrester
16. Hyundai Tucson
17. Chevrolet Trax
18. Nissan Sentra
19. Ford Transit
20. Subaru Outback
21. Honda Accord
22. Kia Sportage
23. Subaru Crosstrek
24. Toyota Tundra
25. Jeep Wrangler

There you go again with your stats compiled from your spreadsheet from behind your oak desk in the ivory tower.

Meanwhile, in the real world, people have real emotions and react viscerally to cool cars on race tracks. Ever since the days of the Stutz Bearcat showing up in magazine ads in the 1920s.

Long before your “superior knowledge and advanced degrees and vast experience” as a “whatever” you are:are at GM ever mattered.

Keep making excuses or blindly thinking you’re always right because you have all the stats and all the spreadsheets right in your files.

GM went bankrupt, but we ALLLL know none of it was ever YOUR fault.

You had only the right answers ALLLLL the time

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Check the list of Top 25 vehicles sold in America and then list which ones of those advertise on TV. I’ll give the list of the Top 25 and I’ll even spot you three…Silverado, F150, Ram. You’ll be hard pressed to find three others that advertise on TV. And yet, they sell. That’s how important TV advertising is for car sales. A couple things really surprised me about this list. Subaru has (3) models on the list. That may have something to do with advertising. But they don’t advertise the three vehicles on the list. They advertise the company’s support of the National Park system and their support of animal focused organizations. The whole “dog-friendly” thing. The other is that Camry and Civic are the only two cars in the top 10 (Corolla is #11). For years they were each number 1, 2, or 3 on the list.

So, my question is…”If advertising on TV is so all important, how did most of these vehicles get on the Top 25 list without advertising on TV?”

1. Ford F-Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado
3. Toyota RAV4
4. Tesla Model Y
5. Honda CR-V
6. Ram pickup
7. Toyota Camry
8. GMC Sierra
9. Nissan Rogue
10. Honda Civic
11. Toyota Corolla
12. Jeep Grand Cherokee
13. Chevrolet Equinox
14. Ford Explorer
15. Subaru Forrester
16. Hyundai Tucson
17. Chevrolet Trax
18. Nissan Sentra
19. Ford Transit
20. Subaru Outback
21. Honda Accord
22. Kia Sportage
23. Subaru Crosstrek
24. Toyota Tundra
25. Jeep Wrangler

Oh BTW….. there’s COUNTLESS ads for most of the cars on that list. So, there’s that.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

140 mph trap is a low 10 sec car. Coupled with the fact that it doesn't even twitch while the Tesla takes off leads me to believe that this particular Hellcat lost on purpose so they could make yet another "EV beats Hellcat" video.

There are Teslas that can beat that Hellcat, just not the one in the video.

There are Hellcats that particular Tesla can beat, just not the one in the video

That was 1 of about 30 3P stomps Hellcat videos I could find. Are you suggesting that all 30 staged the videos? Most of them are 3rd party videos filmed by people in the stands so it’s likely they had no affiliation with either car. There’s also a YouTuber who travels around to multiple tracks, running his 3P against whatever lines up next to him. A lot of Hellcat carnage on film. Maybe he’s in cahoots with a Dodge dealer that supplies a bunch of different Hellcats whenever he wants to film a video? The volume of 3P stomps Hellcat is way too large to say they’re all staged. Here’s one of a 3P vs a Chalenger Hellcat in a 1/2 mile. As I stated in my reply to Idaho, I fully expected the Hellcat to catch and pass the 3P in a 1/2 mile race. It didn’t. https://youtu.be/sSD5DN33Ar0?si=HcoczJJPabKIUyCK https://youtu.be/oy-rrXhCiwk?si=UGoQeZ-SzEp2C6ut

3P vs Lamborghini, 1/2 mile https://youtu.be/mz7VLIAouDo

This is the guy I was talking about who goes to multiple tracks. In this video he races several Hellcats including one on drag slicks, pulling 1,000 hp. That one curb-stomped him. The others not so much. A couple of them lost only by the margin of reaction time. These are only 1/8 mile races. https://youtu.be/ASVjnslUcaY?si=OjTEHzxrt9Am4LHB

And finally, here’s a Model Y Performance (larger and heavier than Model 3 Performance) vs an AMG GT https://youtu.be/sSD5DN33Ar0?si=HcoczJJPabKIUyCK

I am by no means saying that these cars are better cars than the cars the are racing. I’m just pointing out that they are very capable cars and even though their primary design focus is NOT fast performance car, they still check that box with ease.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Oh BTW….. there’s COUNTLESS ads for most of the cars on that list. So, there’s that.

Link to them.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

That was 1 of about 30 3P stomps Hellcat videos I could find. Are you suggesting that all 30 staged the videos? Most of them are 3rd party videos filmed by people in the stands so it’s likely they had no affiliation with either car. There’s also a YouTuber who travels around to multiple tracks, running his 3P against whatever lines up next to him. A lot of Hellcat carnage on film. Maybe he’s in cahoots with a Dodge dealer that supplies a bunch of different Hellcats whenever he wants to film a video? The volume of 3P stomps Hellcat is way too large to say they’re all staged. Here’s one of a 3P vs a Chalenger Hellcat in a 1/2 mile. As I stated in my reply to Idaho, I fully expected the Hellcat to catch and pass the 3P in a 1/2 mile race. It didn’t. https://youtu.be/sSD5DN33Ar0?si=HcoczJJPabKIUyCK https://youtu.be/oy-rrXhCiwk?si=UGoQeZ-SzEp2C6ut

3P vs Lamborghini, 1/2 mile https://youtu.be/mz7VLIAouDo

This is the guy I was talking about who goes to multiple tracks. In this video he races several Hellcats including one on drag slicks, pulling 1,000 hp. That one curb-stomped him. The others not so much. A couple of them lost only by the margin of reaction time. These are only 1/8 mile races. https://youtu.be/ASVjnslUcaY?si=OjTEHzxrt9Am4LHB

And finally, here’s a Model Y Performance (larger and heavier than Model 3 Performance) vs an AMG GT https://youtu.be/sSD5DN33Ar0?si=HcoczJJPabKIUyCK

I am by no means saying that these cars are better cars than the cars the are racing. I’m just pointing out that they are very capable cars and even though their primary design focus is NOT fast performance car, they still check that box with ease.

Reread my post. I know Teslas can beat Hellcats and do so on a regular basis. That is beyond question to the point that I don't even know why it is interesting anymore.

The only thing I was pointing out is that the Hellcat in the video is, if the trap speed is real, a low 10 sec car. So the video is either staged or the Hellcat driver sucks so bad as to make any race meaningless.

Like I said in my original post - there are plenty of Teslas that can beat the Hellcat in the video, but not the one that it "raced"

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

Reread my post. I know Teslas can beat Hellcats and do so on a regular basis. That is beyond question to the point that I don't even know why it is interesting anymore.

The only thing I was pointing out is that the Hellcat in the video is, if the trap speed is real, a low 10 sec car. So the video is either staged or the Hellcat driver sucks so bad as to make any race meaningless.

Like I said in my original post - there are plenty of Teslas that can beat the Hellcat in the video, but not the one that it "raced"

Got it. Had not done the math. I’m wondering if the Hellcat had excessive tire spin and then just ran out of track to catch up.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Link to them.

Chevy, Ford and RAM trucks for sure... especially if you watch football.

Actually if you watch sports, at least a few of them on that list. I watch very little TV but there are a bunch of car ads on the little bit of TV time I watch. I prefer to mute the commercials so I have no basis for links, but I am sure an AI search will show you all the results.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Link to them.

You’re the one with all the research. Prove me wrong.

[silversleeper]

And that's why forums in general get less popularity. A few people will go into threads and spew off topic and untruthful hate. I know I post far less here or anywhere. It got old helping people with mechanical problems here who don't even come back to say thanks or confirm what the problem was. Like we are paid consultant bots for them and no need to say thanks just as if they did a google search. Then a handful will chime in with zero clue, it's the muffler bearings 'cause that's what my sisters 400k mi v6 dodge intrepid needed when it made noises as if that was related to a hot hard start on the Camaro. Here is a EV thread where a few can't stop from coming back to berate EVs and EV owners who are happy with what they offer with out any new facts and much of what is said is misleading or untrue. These are people you would try to escape from if you saw them in real life at a car show.

[bigd1276]

We need those ABC News Fact Checkers on this forum.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

We need those ABC News Fact Checkers on this forum.

Lol….. they’re only going to fact check the guy they don’t like.

[silversleeper]

https://autos.yahoo.com/4-more-myths...110007933.html


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorz...wered-models/#

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by olrocker

You’re the one with all the research. Prove me wrong.

It’s easier to simply not believe you and move on.When I make a point I bring data and proof. When you make a point you bring….




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[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Everything you said is 100% true. But how much time do any of us spend over 100 mph? Enough to make a purchase decision based on that parameter? At the end of the day, the whole point of running quarter mile tracks is to cross the line first. And the Model 3 P consistently does that better than the Hellcat. All the discussion of what happens after the light is tripped is just “what about…” and “yeah but…”. It did the job that was in front of it better than the other one.

Now. If it was a half mile track? Hellcat all day. But it wasn’t.

I personally put a lot of emphasis on the 60-100 mph split. Because that’s a very good indicator of how quickly a car accelerates and how hard it pulls “seat of the pants”, without needing to go to 130+ (eg 60-130 split). 60-100 mph splits correspond to 1/4 mile trap speeds very well. Also, I do accelerate 40-75 regularly, so there’s that.

The Tesla lore is strong, though. I have a friend with a long range Model Y who thought he could hang with my ZL1. Look at my 60-100 mph split (3.64 sec) vs his (around 5.5 seconds). It just “feels” quick because of the instant torque. It’s actually slower than my Supra (4.99 sec 60-100 split). My times are dragy verified, DA of around 2,000 ft.