Saying bye for now

[silversleeper]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

What I have observed is one of the following:

1) Over extended when bought new, got out from under a car loan
2) Many of the owners were older, they aged out of the car, went into something more comfortable to suit their garden and slippers mode
3) Some traded up to a Z/28 or a Corvette

There is more to it than that. Increased traffic on the roads with no where to safely stretch it's legs. LE will get you hard if you try. Tracks are not so easy to come by and really who wants to beat their street car that hard on a track and risks including popping the airbags or your or other drivers fault crashing.


Insurance costs have skyrocketed


Carjackings are more of a thing now, it's real in my state


Chop shops and joyriders have increased exponentially. I won't have my car long if I leave it parked outside or in public.


In real street conditions an EV AWD is faster stoplight to stoplight


Other cars can be for more stealthy if a person wants to drive spirited for a few seconds


My car is capable of 200mph. I can't even find a road where it's safe to drive 100+mph for a few seconds within hours of me.


A friend who owns a classic 60s muscle car and has gone through a handful of sports cars including a vette recently was looking at a Z06 but he made the move before me that I did for similar reasons. He is in his early 40s so not aged out as is part of my decision. Now that I think about it I don't see as many V8 mustangs or Hellcats or other ZL1s on the streets in my town either. The image conscious C8s are around.

[70T/A400]

When someone buys an EV you are #2.

I honestly cannot think of something that someone brings into their life that is deliberately boring and ugly at the same time. Maybe a babysitter.

When you buy something as hideous as a Tesla with backwards engineering (brakes from the 90's, panel gaps from the 80's and a giant screen cause they are too lazy to put knobs and gauges) to show that you care what it really means is no one is coming round to your freezing cold house in the winter or insufferably hot place in the summer. If you are deeply unpleasant you want the ugly car, the luminous ankle bracelets, the dirty unwashed hair. These cars have no sound, catch fire at a moments notice and can usually be found around recycling centres.

The Camaro may be gone but like everything else people will always reflect what an engineering marvel it was and a looker. And it makes people smile.

[silversleeper]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

When someone buys an EV you are #2.

I honestly cannot think of something that someone brings into their life that is deliberately boring and ugly at the same time. Maybe a babysitter.

When you buy something as hideous as a Tesla with backwards engineering (brakes from the 90's, panel gaps from the 80's and a giant screen cause they are too lazy to put knobs and gauges) to show that you care what it really means is no one is coming round to your freezing cold house in the winter or insufferably hot place in the summer. If you are deeply unpleasant you want the ugly car, the luminous ankle bracelets, the dirty unwashed hair. These cars have no sound, catch fire at a moments notice and can usually be found around recycling centres.

The Camaro may be gone but like everything else people will always reflect what an engineering marvel it was and a looker. And it makes people smile.

I put solar on my house which almost was paid for with the EV rebates and solar rebate. Now I cool and heat my house at very low cost like today it's 110 here and I sit comfortably in AC while my car is charging for free.
Do you think you will ever get rid of your wood burning stove and steam heat? Oh that would be ugly and boring.

[Brutale arancia]

Originally Posted by ZMEnow

Still here Original owner!!

Glad to see you're still here. Technical input IS valued!

[Bigtime53]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

When someone buys an EV you are #2.

I honestly cannot think of something that someone brings into their life that is deliberately boring and ugly at the same time. Maybe a babysitter.

When you buy something as hideous as a Tesla with backwards engineering (brakes from the 90's, panel gaps from the 80's and a giant screen cause they are too lazy to put knobs and gauges) to show that you care what it really means is no one is coming round to your freezing cold house in the winter or insufferably hot place in the summer. If you are deeply unpleasant you want the ugly car, the luminous ankle bracelets, the dirty unwashed hair. These cars have no sound, catch fire at a moments notice and can usually be found around recycling centres.

The Camaro may be gone but like everything else people will always reflect what an engineering marvel it was and a looker. And it makes people smile.

I could not have said that any better!

[silversleeper]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/chevy-...hile-joyriding
This joyriding is common with ZL1 or Z28. The dealer doesn't give af if you said do not drive it. The Tesla doesn't compel the techs to go out and wreck it especially if it isn't a PLAID or the highest performance edition. Also their traction management doesn't tend to go sideways as easy. Not to mention I have no need to take it in the shop up to now and likely won't. I forgot to add that to my list until I read this today.

[ZEDL1]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

I wonder how many original owners of 2013-15 ZL1's are left?

I'm the original owner of my 2013 ZL1. There are some of us left...

Jim

[Bigtime53]

Originally Posted by ZEDL1

I'm the original owner of my 2013 ZL1. There are some of us left...

Jim

You have been here longer than I have! I guess you can call us the senior bunch on here. LOL. I may be back on here one of these days as I am already missing my car. I probably should not have sold it but other things are more important at this stage of my life. Just a short life experience for you. I have been in the hotel/motel industry since I got out of the army. I built a new 65 unit hotel and opened it just a couple months before 9/11. I lost a lot of money after that until 2004 thru 2008 and I did very well. Then the recession hit and I made it thru that. Then in 2019 I sold that hotel. After numerous conversations with the head of the hotel chain they told me what had to be done and all was good, I thought. The hotel chain sued me in late 2019. It finally came to a head in May of this year and I lost. You know I had to pay out like a slot machine to lawyers and to the hotel chain. It did not break me but it got deep in my pocket and that is one reason I sold my car. But after it is all said and done I am glad I am not in the hotel business any more and I have been enjoying life and as I said before I have always needed the rush of a fast car and at 71 I still need it!

[Shark72]

Big Time 53, take care!
I understand the buy and sell fever, had a 2013 1LE for a year sold it, bought a 2015 ZL1 for two years and sold it. Then two years ago the fever hit again bought a 2015 Z/28 and I can’t be happier, the best of the gen 5 Camaros.
Hope to see you back!

[70T/A400]

What makes the Z/28 the best of the 5th Generation? Is it the brakes, the Multimatic shocks or the LS7 engine?

I have never heard anything good about the LS7. Seems as though both ends are in competition to see who can destroy the engine first, valves or bearings.

[VRZL113]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

What makes the Z/28 the best of the 5th Generation? Is it the brakes, the Multimatic shocks or the LS7 engine?

I have never heard anything good about the LS7. Seems as though both ends are in competition to see who can destroy the engine first, valves or bearings.

Yeah agreed... for the comment that people traded up from a ZL1 to a Z28...

It was a more expensive car and faster at a road course but the ZL1 is the still the best all-around Camaro for the money.

[MIZL1]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

I wonder how many original owners of 2013-15 ZL1's are left?

Original owner 2012 IOM M6, about 13k on the odometer. Lifetime keeper car, but I got bit by the Dodge Hellcat bug, they too are fabulous cars. They share driving time

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

I wonder how many original owners of 2013-15 ZL1's are left?

Another one still here. 2,9xx miles. Trying to work on that.

Take it easy Bigtime, it was a pleasure to take that ZL1 console lid off your hands. Should be here today, actually...maybe.

[ZEDL1]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

I wonder how many original owners of 2013-15 ZL1's are left?

I don't quite fit into the model year spread, but I'm the original owner of my 2012 ZL1.