Can't find front shocks!

[Brutale arancia]

Originally Posted by Whisper1

I just paid almost $3000 for two front struts on my 2012 ZL1.

Insatiable greed. A sad statement on the decay of morals and values in American society.

[ZL1togo]

Got mine off Amazon, paid $1600 for both. I’m still not understanding if I should use them or not. I’ve heard of a redesign but is the redesign the reason for the 1-1/2” longer piston shaft? That’s the answer I can’t find. I did see a picture of some take offs from a 2014 and they are exactly the same BWI struts I bought. But it seems my 2013 take offs are a different number and shorter. What to do????

[ZL1togo]

Whisper1 and VChula, what were the numbers on your struts? Were they BWI.
The ones that are longer that I bought are
22282142 and 143. I’d feel a lot better if those are the ones you put on your ZL1s

[VChula]

Originally Posted by ZL1togo

Whisper1 and VChula, what were the numbers on your struts? Were they BWI.
The ones that are longer that I bought are
22282142 and 143. I’d feel a lot better if those are the ones you put on your ZL1s

22282142 and 22282143 are what I actually removed from my car in 2020.

They were replaced by those exact same part numbers- but another difference is in the numbers that are indicated directly below the BWI numbers.

Original BWI 22282142 and 22282143 also had "14111141" underneath (possibly a date or a batch code)

Replacement BWI 22282142 has "18304121" underneath, and 22282143 has "19168091" underneath.
If you have higher numbers than "14xxxxxx" or "15xxxxxx" on yours, it is a good bet that you have the updated shocks.

Also, you can see in the first picture that the newer strut set is taller than the original strut set.

[ZL1togo]

Thank you so much. I guess they are going on this weekend. Then I’ll move to the rear ones. I don’t know how GM gets away with knowing they put out a performance car with subpar suspension. Suspension has always been and should always be part of the safety system of a vehicle. Bad suspension is unsafe yet they just stop producing the strut! A small Company would get sued for that. Looks like BWI is starting to make some struts for us though….

[FASTFATBOY]

Originally Posted by Whisper1

Yes, same here. I just paid almost $3000 for two front struts on my 2012 ZL1. The dealer found one at a Texas Chevy Dealer and the second was from a Dealer in California. Obviously, they just mark them up to whatever price suits them. After installation I think my total bill was around $4000 - forgot the exact number although I certainly have the reciept as they have a one year warranty. Have an extra set of rears through Summit if memory serves that were around $1200 for pair. If someone is making fronts that would be great news.

You could have bought a NICE set of MCS coilovers for that money, sheez.

https://vorshlag-store.com/products/...camaro-2010-15

[ZL1togo]

Why would I want coil overs on a ZL1? If I wanted old technology I would’ve saved a lot of money and bought a lesser model. I know…. You can set up coil overs and they run good. But I can drag and street this black b@&$h by pushing buttons. Got coil overs on my 67 c10 that I play with all the time. I just want to drive my Camaro. But yes, the price is terrible but believe it or not, they’ve come down and the rears are around $300 for both. Hopefully a good aftermarket company will start making them.

[FASTFATBOY]

Originally Posted by ZL1togo

Why would I want coil overs on a ZL1? If I wanted old technology I would’ve saved a lot of money and bought a lesser model. I know…. You can set up coil overs and they run good. But I can drag and street this black b@&$h by pushing buttons. Got coil overs on my 67 c10 that I play with all the time. I just want to drive my Camaro. But yes, the price is terrible but believe it or not, they’ve come down and the rears are around $300 for both. Hopefully a good aftermarket company will start making them.

You will have to get away from the Magride eventually, just the way it is.

MCS is not "old technology" it's just below Penske etc.

Magride on our cars is 13 year old tech, or even older and they fail way to soon.

Not enough 5th gen ZL1's out there for a company to make them, no money in it.

[Whisper1]

Originally Posted by Brutale arancia

Insatiable greed. A sad statement on the decay of morals and values in American society.

Not to hijack the thread, but the forum has documented dozens of parts that are no longer available for our 5th Gen Z's. With the move away from ICE it seems this problem will become acute on many low volume ice vehicles. I would be very hesitant to purchase a Blackwing for this reason. Add in a Brand going under and I think the problem will be accelerated. Lot's of low volume parts on the various Dodge Hellcat variants. The brand will likely be gone in a year and Stellantis is certainly not going to hold parts in inventory. The Demon 170 comes immediately to mind. Lot's of quality issues and already parts replacement delays. Can only get worse. Only hope is that the SMART Act did pass in 2023 and this shortens the window for patent protection and should incentivize third party manufacturers to make small runs of parts where a need exists. Now back to the Strut issue. Can't wait to figure out if the OP's Amazon struts are actually viable. Very confused about the dimension difference.

[Whisper1]

Originally Posted by VChula

22282142 and 22282143 are what I actually removed from my car in 2020.

They were replaced by those exact same part numbers- but another difference is in the numbers that are indicated directly below the BWI numbers.

Original BWI 22282142 and 22282143 also had "14111141" underneath (possibly a date or a batch code)

Replacement BWI 22282142 has "18304121" underneath, and 22282143 has "19168091" underneath.
If you have higher numbers than "14xxxxxx" or "15xxxxxx" on yours, it is a good bet that you have the updated shocks.

Also, you can see in the first picture that the newer strut set is taller than the original strut set.

Thanks for this very thorough explanation. I missed your answer prior to my rant about parts because I am very old and did not scroll down the page. I could not have answered the BWI number question because I never saw the front struts prior to them being installed and the car and reciept is in a mini warehouse 10 miles away (I can't get under the car to look for a number). Only item of relevance is possibly the rear numbers that the OP may need. I have a newer set in hand that I purchased from Summitt. They are BWI 20942614 with the underneath # of 22326131. Exterior of box says "Made in Mexico" It's GM #19300041 and AC Delco # 580-445 for right and left rears. Thanks again V Chula.

[Whisper1]

Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY

You will have to get away from the Magride eventually, just the way it is.

MCS is not "old technology" it's just below Penske etc.

Magride on our cars is 13 year old tech, or even older and they fail way to soon.

Not enough 5th gen ZL1's out there for a company to make them, no money in it.

Don't disagree, but it's not as easy as it sounds for me. The GM "High Performance Tech" was at least able to get the struts installed without issue. The closest shop I would trust to do the coil over conversion correctly is about 2.5 hours away. My local dealer started with with one strut at $1350 but by the time a second one was located and taxes and labor were added we got up close to 4K. If they were to go out past the 1 year warranty I would likely just put it on a rollback and ship it off for the conversion.

[ZL1togo]

Magneride is the best suspension for drag racing and track racing just by hitting a button. Of course there is better out there if you want to specialize in one area and dial it in. That’s what makes the ZL1 one of the best “athletes” on the road. If I just wanted to drag, I’d build up an old Vega like I’ve done before. But this car is truly something special with its independent rearend and suspension. I also disagree about Magneride going away. Too many other vehicles out there using it. The aftermarket will get onboard soon enough and make these cars even more impressive than they are already. Another great thing about these gen 5s is you can work on them. It’s not even an hour job to change a strut! There’s not many cars you can do that and also change the exhaust, put headers on, change some pulleys and put a tune in to add stupid power. I love that I can still wrench on my own car and never go to the Stealership! F them. Come on aftermarket!

[ZL1togo]

By the way, I saw even Rock Auto had one of the front struts in stock. They are coming back and once people that have been waiting for them cycle through, the greedy will lower the prices. What we need is another manufacturer to create competition

[okjuvkam]

Have you guys seen this on Ebay Listed as set of 4 shocks with mag ride.
Have the chinese picked up and startet remanufacture them ?
Not sure if i would go for them, but by picture they seem to be a match ?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/28604667176...3ABFBMit_wxt1k