Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Vararam
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Technical Camaro Topics > Suspension / Brakes / Chassis


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-06-2025, 10:44 PM   #1
InFiD3ViL


 
InFiD3ViL's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Posts: 4,737
Need advice on FE4 suspension conversion

Alright, so I already bought a BMR 2012-2015 front sway bar and end links to convert the car to FE4 style setup. Earlier, I had also bought a used 2010/2011 BMR rear sway bar, This was before I considered fully converting over.
The problem I have is this - The REAR sway bar I bought has bends in it on the end link mounting tabs. I will attach a picture to show what I mean. Not sure how I didn't notice it in the Ebay listing, but it's prominent in person. I have seen mild bends in these areas on other peoples 2010/2011 BMR rear sway bars, but these are bothering me. It's making me think that they came off a car that was maybe hit. I don't know, it could be normal? It's a shame, since it also came with BMR rear end links and the reinforced mounting tab kit. Take a look at the picture of this rear sway bar and let me know what you think. Trash it or send it? If I trash it I am going to go with the BMR 2012-2015 rear sway and just go full FE4 style outboard setup.

Anyhow, the main question I have is regarding the FE4 style rear end links. I only recently became aware that these years have a totally different style rear end link, which is the vertically mounted long rod type. I cannot find any aftermarket rear end links for the 2012-2015, including from BMR. What is everyone using when they upgrade? Are people upgrading to Z28/ZL1 rear links? I have found plenty of aftermarket OEM quality rear end links, but can't find any 'beefy' alternatives from BMR, Spohn, Peddars, Detroit Speed, etc. for the 2012-2015 rears.
Attached Images
   
__________________
2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI

Last edited by InFiD3ViL; 04-07-2025 at 11:51 PM. Reason: Added pics
InFiD3ViL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2025, 05:35 AM   #2
acutron42

 
acutron42's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS AGM
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: WNY
Posts: 965
These might be what you are looking for.

https://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=...&productid=845
__________________
2013 2SS GPI built & tuned 415, spec'd by Andrew Cammer. GPI ported intake/tb/heads, Tooley springs, CHE trunnions, Callies rotating assembly, Diamond pistons, GPI SS3 VVT, ATI 10% ud damper, Circle D 3800, Kooks ceramic coated lt's with green cats, Mishimoto rad & oil cooler, Derale trans cooler, Holley efi rails. DSS driveshaft, trutrac with 3.91's, G-Force renegades, Hendrix solid cradle bushings Bmr: poly diff bushings, Strange adjustable coilovers, sub frame connectors, ZL1 npps, controlled with a vac pump & mac boost control solenoid.
acutron42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2025, 08:36 AM   #3
CamaroDreams76
Tri-County Camaro SWFL
 
CamaroDreams76's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 IOM 2SS/RS/1LE
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: South West FL
Posts: 3,484
Quote:
Originally Posted by InFiD3ViL View Post
Alright, so I already bought a BMR 2012-2015 front sway bar and end links to convert the car to FE4 style setup. Earlier, I had also bought a used 2010/2011 BMR rear sway bar, This was before I considered fully converting over.
The problem I have is this - The sway bar I bought has bends in it on the end link mounting tabs. I will attach a picture to show what I mean. Not sure how I didn't notice it in the Ebay listing, but it's prominent in person. I have seen mild bends in these areas on other peoples 2010/2011 BMR rear sway bars, but these are bothering me. It's making me think that they came off a car that was maybe hit. I don't know, it could be normal? It's a shame, since it also came with BMR rear end links and the reinforced mounting tab kit. Take a look at the picture of this rear sway bar and let me know what you think. Trash it or send it? If I trash it I am going to go with the BMR 2012-2015 rear sway and just go full FE4 style outboard setup.

Anyhow, the main question I have is regarding the FE4 style rear end links. I only recently became aware that these years have a totally different style rear end link, which is the vertically mounted long rod type. I cannot find any aftermarket rear end links for the 2012-2015, including from BMR. What is everyone using when they upgrade? Are people upgrading to Z28/ZL1 rear links?


*Uploading pics from PC is broken right now, will add soon
Detroit speed makes adjustable end links
__________________
CamaroDreams76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2025, 11:13 PM   #4
InFiD3ViL


 
InFiD3ViL's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Posts: 4,737
Quote:
Originally Posted by acutron42 View Post
These might be what you are looking for.

https://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=...&productid=845

No, those are the ones I have already. These are for the 2010/2011 model years. I am likely going to be installing a 2012-2015 rear sway bar, which uses a totally different end link design. Thank you though.


2010/2011 Rear end link style:
Name:  BMR Rear Links.jpg
Views: 219
Size:  75.2 KB


2012-2015 rear end link style:
Name:  EndLink.jpg
Views: 217
Size:  62.4 KB
__________________
2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI

Last edited by InFiD3ViL; 04-07-2025 at 11:28 PM.
InFiD3ViL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2025, 04:36 AM   #5
acutron42

 
acutron42's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS AGM
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: WNY
Posts: 965
I see what you mean now with the pics. Can you return that one to the seller? It does look like it was hit or severely overloaded.
__________________
2013 2SS GPI built & tuned 415, spec'd by Andrew Cammer. GPI ported intake/tb/heads, Tooley springs, CHE trunnions, Callies rotating assembly, Diamond pistons, GPI SS3 VVT, ATI 10% ud damper, Circle D 3800, Kooks ceramic coated lt's with green cats, Mishimoto rad & oil cooler, Derale trans cooler, Holley efi rails. DSS driveshaft, trutrac with 3.91's, G-Force renegades, Hendrix solid cradle bushings Bmr: poly diff bushings, Strange adjustable coilovers, sub frame connectors, ZL1 npps, controlled with a vac pump & mac boost control solenoid.
acutron42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2025, 05:26 PM   #6
InFiD3ViL


 
InFiD3ViL's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Posts: 4,737
Quote:
Originally Posted by acutron42 View Post
I see what you mean now with the pics. Can you return that one to the seller? It does look like it was hit or severely overloaded.

No, unfortunately I bought it months ago. The end links are still good and I got a set of trailing arms with it, so I can likely make some back on that stuff. I wont be using any of it. Sometimes you just gotta eat the loss. Think I paid $150 for the sway bar, the end links and trailing arms together.
__________________
2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI
InFiD3ViL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2025, 06:27 AM   #7
CamaroCracka


 
CamaroCracka's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Palm Bay, FL
Posts: 3,053
I would just go FE4. Much better setup. The bar you have looks like it might get you into fitment problems when you go to put it in and it will never work as well as the FE4 bar.

On the links, I think the factory ZL1 and Z28 rear end links are the same. I got an entire Z28 suspension years ago and IIRC, the end links were the same as the FE4 units I got from GM. I've been running them for years with no issues with ZL1 rear bar.
__________________
2010 SS - Kind of an On3 kit, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1 brakes.

2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. Gen6 ZL1 brakes.
CamaroCracka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2025, 12:19 AM   #8
InFiD3ViL


 
InFiD3ViL's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Posts: 4,737
Quote:
Originally Posted by CamaroCracka View Post
I would just go FE4. Much better setup. The bar you have looks like it might get you into fitment problems when you go to put it in and it will never work as well as the FE4 bar.

On the links, I think the factory ZL1 and Z28 rear end links are the same. I got an entire Z28 suspension years ago and IIRC, the end links were the same as the FE4 units I got from GM. I've been running them for years with no issues with ZL1 rear bar.
Yeah that's what I have decided. I just hope BMR has them in stock, as I had to wait nearly 4 months to get my front sway bar from them. I will probably just go with GM ZL1 rear end links.
__________________
2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI
InFiD3ViL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2025, 07:28 AM   #9
Motopsycho
 
Motopsycho's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: MA
Posts: 98
Are you using GM FE4 rear lower control arms or the OEM FE3 style on 2010/11 Camaros?
Motopsycho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2025, 10:31 AM   #10
CamaroCracka


 
CamaroCracka's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Palm Bay, FL
Posts: 3,053
Quote:
Originally Posted by Motopsycho View Post
Are you using GM FE4 rear lower control arms or the OEM FE3 style on 2010/11 Camaros?
You need the GM FE4 LCA or it's aftermarket equivalent. You could modify and FE3 LCA to accept the FE4 sway bar links, but when I did both of mine the FE4 LCAs were around $50. You can also find them used from 2012 and later part outs.
__________________
2010 SS - Kind of an On3 kit, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1 brakes.

2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. Gen6 ZL1 brakes.
CamaroCracka is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.