Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
TireRack
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction - V8


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-28-2009, 05:50 PM   #15
E85LSX
 
E85LSX's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Long Island
Posts: 244
Quote:
Originally Posted by Codefive View Post
LPE's way IS the correct way. I have wired them both ways and measured voltage at the pump. Both E85LSX's & LPE's ways get you the same voltage increase at the pump however ... LPE's way prevents other issues that WILL pop up later on. Believe me! they have tested this at great lengths
Thanks for the tip.

Here is an update, I have it wired after the FPCM now for 5 days and I have been driving it every day with no problems. . . will problems arise in the future, I don't know.

I will rewire mine again this weekend before the FPCM to be 100% sure about this since many people are telling me it does work before the FPCM. It is possible my wiring was screwed up when I had it before the FPCM.

I'll post my findings after I test it again.
__________________
Mods: TVS2300, 3.2 pulley, American Racing Headers, Custom Cam, Coil Overs, Tuned for E85, 610RWHP* 570RWTQ
Follow me on Twitter
www.e85lsx.com

E85LSX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2009, 06:30 PM   #16
E85LSX
 
E85LSX's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Long Island
Posts: 244
Here is some interesting info:

I just wired my BAP before the FPCM (like LPE) to do yet another test in case I had something messed up the first time.

I changed no settings on the BAP I only changed where it is spliced in and I recorded the voltage to the pump and logged the rail pressure for a comparison of the two different methods.

Wired after the FPCM (my way) the voltage to the pump was increased to 15.5volts which was just enough to maintain my rail pressure (55psi). (BAP is set to 3/4)

Wired before the FPCM (LPE way) the voltage to the pump was increased to 14.02volts and my rail pressure fell on it face (40psi). (BAP is set to 3/4)

With No BAP the max voltage I recorded to the pump was 13volts and fuel pressure falls to 30psi.

So in summary both the LPE way and my way will increase the voltage to your fuel pump. My way increases it MUCH more, this is why I originally though LPE's way didn't work at all.

Wire your cars which ever way makes you all happy. I will definitely wire mine the only way I can get it to actually help my fuel pressure problem. If my car blows up because my wiring differs from LPE's way I will let you all know. Until that day I will enjoy having steady fuel pressure at WOT.
__________________
Mods: TVS2300, 3.2 pulley, American Racing Headers, Custom Cam, Coil Overs, Tuned for E85, 610RWHP* 570RWTQ
Follow me on Twitter
www.e85lsx.com

E85LSX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 04:38 PM   #17
R8cerX
 
R8cerX's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 CamaroSS
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Burlington NC
Posts: 217
We ended up wiring in the BAP like E85 and so far have had no issues...fuel pressure holds steady at 50psi. Thanks again for everyones input/opinions
__________________


Frank
10 Camaro Magnacharged- 585rwhp/585rwtq, full exhaust, Pedders Justice/ZL1 sway, Stoptech brakes and 21" 3 Pc. Forgeline wheels
99 Corvette- 502rwhp/460rwtq-402 N/A, 6pis/4pis brakes...fun track car
R8cerX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 11:05 AM   #18
ADM PERFORMANCE
 
Drives: Anything I want
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: DfW - Texas
Posts: 5,407
Fuel Pump Flow Control Module
The fuel pump flow control module is a serviceable GMLAN module. The fuel pump flow control module receives the desired fuel pressure message from the engine control module (ECM) and controls the fuel pump located within the fuel tank to achieve the desired fuel pressure. The fuel pump flow control module sends a 25 KHz PWM signal to the fuel pump, and pump speed is changed by varying the duty cycle of this signal. Maximum current supplied to the fuel pump is 15 A. A liquid fuel pressure sensor provides fuel pressure feedback to the fuel pump flow control module.

Something you 2 might want to know,If you don't already.

Andy
ADM PERFORMANCE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2009, 05:23 PM   #19
E85LSX
 
E85LSX's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Long Island
Posts: 244
Here is the latest update. . . I'm am finally done testing/messing with this BAP.

Wired after the FPCM the BAP worked great. . . until it started constantly blowing the inline fuse. This method does not work.

Wired before the FPCM the BAP does work. . . but it doesn't help much at all. With the BAP set to full rich position (17.5volts) my pressure fell to 45psi. With the BAP on the leanest setting (14volts, basically off) my pressure fell to 35psi.

The bottom line is the BAP works like sh*t on this car, I am now looking into a dual pump setup.
__________________
Mods: TVS2300, 3.2 pulley, American Racing Headers, Custom Cam, Coil Overs, Tuned for E85, 610RWHP* 570RWTQ
Follow me on Twitter
www.e85lsx.com

E85LSX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2009, 05:31 PM   #20
the rich dude

 
Drives: Getting 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by E85LSX View Post
Here is the latest update. . . I'm am finally done testing/messing with this BAP.

Wired after the FPCM the BAP worked great. . . until it started constantly blowing the inline fuse. This method does not work.

Wired before the FPCM the BAP does work. . . but it doesn't help much at all. With the BAP set to full rich position (17.5volts) my pressure fell to 45psi. With the BAP on the leanest setting (14volts, basically off) my pressure fell to 35psi.

The bottom line is the BAP works like sh*t on this car, I am now looking into a dual pump setup.
DAMN, was hoping it was going to work out so I wouldn't have to install another pump.

Hopefully the slight increase in voltage the BAP supplies will be enough for my 600-620RWHP Procharger adventure I'm about to embark on
the rich dude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2009, 05:44 PM   #21
Will@Apf
 
Will@Apf's Avatar
 
Drives: corvette
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Acworth GA
Posts: 485
Quote:
Originally Posted by E85LSX View Post
Here is the latest update. . . I'm am finally done testing/messing with this BAP.

Wired after the FPCM the BAP worked great. . . until it started constantly blowing the inline fuse. This method does not work.

Wired before the FPCM the BAP does work. . . but it doesn't help much at all. With the BAP set to full rich position (17.5volts) my pressure fell to 45psi. With the BAP on the leanest setting (14volts, basically off) my pressure fell to 35psi.

The bottom line is the BAP works like sh*t on this car, I am now looking into a dual pump setup.

Do a Bosch 044 pump! ps old islander here!!
Will@Apf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2009, 06:41 PM   #22
DarkNight
 
DarkNight's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: The Bat Cave
Posts: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADM PERFORMANCE View Post
Fuel Pump Flow Control Module
The fuel pump flow control module is a serviceable GMLAN module. The fuel pump flow control module receives the desired fuel pressure message from the engine control module (ECM) and controls the fuel pump located within the fuel tank to achieve the desired fuel pressure. The fuel pump flow control module sends a 25 KHz PWM signal to the fuel pump, and pump speed is changed by varying the duty cycle of this signal. Maximum current supplied to the fuel pump is 15 A. A liquid fuel pressure sensor provides fuel pressure feedback to the fuel pump flow control module.

Something you 2 might want to know,If you don't already.

Andy
Quote:
Originally Posted by E85LSX View Post
Here is the latest update. . . I'm am finally done testing/messing with this BAP.

Wired after the FPCM the BAP worked great. . . until it started constantly blowing the inline fuse. This method does not work.

Wired before the FPCM the BAP does work. . . but it doesn't help much at all. With the BAP set to full rich position (17.5volts) my pressure fell to 45psi. With the BAP on the leanest setting (14volts, basically off) my pressure fell to 35psi.

The bottom line is the BAP works like sh*t on this car, I am now looking into a dual pump setup.

Andy,

So based on the info in this thread what is your professional opinion on the BAP? Does it help? Is it worth the $......... How do you wire it for best performance?

Thanks!
DarkNight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2009, 09:38 PM   #23
ADM PERFORMANCE
 
Drives: Anything I want
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: DfW - Texas
Posts: 5,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkNight View Post
Andy,

So based on the info in this thread what is your professional opinion on the BAP? Does it help? Is it worth the $......... How do you wire it for best performance?

Thanks!


Yes it is a great product,does exactly what it claims.Yes it is invaluable.Wire it the way it was intended,per Kennebell instructions for fpcm equipt vehicles.

Andy
ADM PERFORMANCE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 04:14 PM   #24
R8cerX
 
R8cerX's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 CamaroSS
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Burlington NC
Posts: 217
Quote:
Originally Posted by E85LSX View Post
Here is the latest update. . . I'm am finally done testing/messing with this BAP.

Wired after the FPCM the BAP worked great. . . until it started constantly blowing the inline fuse. This method does not work.

Wired before the FPCM the BAP does work. . . but it doesn't help much at all. With the BAP set to full rich position (17.5volts) my pressure fell to 45psi. With the BAP on the leanest setting (14volts, basically off) my pressure fell to 35psi.

The bottom line is the BAP works like sh*t on this car, I am now looking into a dual pump setup.
He's correct, 4 days after wiring after the FPCM, the fuse blew. rewired today, going back on the dyno tomorrow. Will post results once complete.
__________________


Frank
10 Camaro Magnacharged- 585rwhp/585rwtq, full exhaust, Pedders Justice/ZL1 sway, Stoptech brakes and 21" 3 Pc. Forgeline wheels
99 Corvette- 502rwhp/460rwtq-402 N/A, 6pis/4pis brakes...fun track car

Last edited by R8cerX; 11-10-2009 at 04:31 PM.
R8cerX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 04:47 PM   #25
2Tightwads
Banned
 
Drives: 2002 LS1 swapped into a 1994 Z
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 386
Wired before FPCM as in the instructions that come with part is correct folks.
2Tightwads is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 05:53 PM   #26
E85LSX
 
E85LSX's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Long Island
Posts: 244
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADM PERFORMANCE View Post
Yes it is a great product,does exactly what it claims.Yes it is invaluable.Wire it the way it was intended,per Kennebell instructions for fpcm equipt vehicles.

Andy
Andy,

Without a BAP my fuel pressure drops to 35psi at WOT high rpm. With the BAP wired correctly before the FPCM and set to its richest setting my fuel pressure drops to 45psi under the same WOT high rpm conditions.

Do you think the BAP is increasing my fuel pump output by 50-70% as the website claims?

Without getting into any analysis or anything too technical my gutt feeling is that my fuel pump output is not increased by 50% . . .
__________________
Mods: TVS2300, 3.2 pulley, American Racing Headers, Custom Cam, Coil Overs, Tuned for E85, 610RWHP* 570RWTQ
Follow me on Twitter
www.e85lsx.com

E85LSX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:00 PM   #27
JANNETTYRACING

 
JANNETTYRACING's Avatar
 
Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT.
Posts: 15,416
Quote:
Originally Posted by E85LSX View Post
Andy,

Without a BAP my fuel pressure drops to 35psi at WOT high rpm. With the BAP wired correctly before the FPCM and set to its richest setting my fuel pressure drops to 45psi under the same WOT high rpm conditions.

Do you think the BAP is increasing my fuel pump output by 50-70% as the website claims?

Without getting into any analysis or anything too technical my gutt feeling is that my fuel pump output is not increased by 50% . . .
It is certainly better but not 50% better that is for sure.

It is not the fault of the BAP.

Your Just Out of Pump Volume.

Ted.
__________________
www.jannettyracing.com
Celebrating 39 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705
email tedj@jannettyracing.com
JANNETTYRACING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2009, 06:03 PM   #28
ADM PERFORMANCE
 
Drives: Anything I want
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: DfW - Texas
Posts: 5,407
All you guys do understand that the ECM and FPCM control the fuel pressure.



Andy
ADM PERFORMANCE is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Supercharger / Turbocharger Results (INFO) Thread radz28 Forced Induction - V8 273 08-15-2023 05:44 PM
Took the SS to the track today 126.67mph on Boost only! Icon Autosports Dragstrip and Launch Techniques Discussion 7 09-30-2009 07:03 PM
Took the SS to the track 126.67mph on boost only! Icon Autosports Forced Induction - V8 5 09-27-2009 12:15 PM
Took the SS to the track last night 126.67mph on boost only! Icon Autosports USA - Texas 3 09-27-2009 09:24 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.