12.68@113.67 with just LT and CAI

[mtcwby]

Originally Posted by o2camaross

ok i appreciate the help and sorry if i came off a little rude. i guess ill wait to talk to him on tuesday

Hey, just go to the track and back up your time with a repeat.
If you can't, then it was just a fluke, and you have something to
work for. At least now you know that you are capable of it.

[o2camaross]

i guess so, well i kno what it runs. ill just try for a better reaction time

[o2camaross]

yea thats what ill do. with a good bit of wheel spin i was pulling consistent 12.90s so with a better launch i think i can do 12.4s or so with that trap speed

[mtcwby]

Originally Posted by o2camaross

yea thats what ill do. with a good bit of wheel spin i was pulling consistent 12.90s so with a better launch i think i can do 12.4s or so with that trap speed

I just looked up the DA for your run, it is -221 ft.
so it computed to a 12.683 @ 113.762.
You guys have it so good at that track, nearly perfect conditions.
We, here in Denver have DA's in the 9000's and sometimes into the 10,000's.
Just try to get a good time up here!!!

We run in the High 13's w/intake and Long tubes. With the conversion
it gets down to the low 12's, but we will never see our times on the fast list,
because he doesn't allow DA times. We don't think that's fair, but it is what it is. Even though when guys post up their dyno sheets, if it isn't SAE corrected no one will accept it. Doesn't make sense. It just puts everyone on an
even playing field.

[navyblueSS]

Originally Posted by o2camaross

Yea I go to school here at tech. Thanks for backing me up man and ur ss is sick. What did u run last night

Thanks man, my best was a 11.36 @ 119 on motor. I tried to spray it but something was acting up with my rpm window switch.

[o2camaross]

Yea the track conditions were amazing last night. And navybluess seeing fourth gem as good looking a urs makes me miss my 02 so bad. Let me kno the next time u go to the track

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by mtcwby

OK if you're not going to count red lights then here is a list of the
names that have to be removed from the fast times lists. Sorry, but if you won't allow one guy then you can't allow anyone who red lights, period.

Bone Stock
#1--Pave1
#3--8ty8 Ls1
#13-AntiVnm

Bolt-Ons
#2--RedSS
#3--Rick@Livernois
#5--Blt4Spd

Internals
#6--TC

Also, Futral posted 11.26 @ 125.1 mph but I don't see him on a list yet, but he red lighted.

Go ahead and go through all the time slips again and you'll
see I'm right about all these guys red lighting.

When updating the 1/4 mile list, I haven't been looking for red lighted runs. Futral's run is on the list. The user name is Gib (#1 on the internal engine mods list).
As for the other members on the list that have red lighted runs, I'll wait until 1320junkie returns to either remove or keep those times on the list. As for the bad dates on the time slips, that's a real concern.
Most of us have hundreds of old time slips from previous cars, and it would be very easy to post up one saying we ran that time.

It's unfortunuate that Twin City Speedway is having issues with printing correct dates on timeslips.

But as mentioned, 1320junkie will resolve these issues when he gets back.

[GMRULZ]

Well rules are rules and if thats the rules they should be followed. I do personally feel however we are trying to see how fast the car is and not the driver. So we can compare car to car. Since redlighting disqualifies you should we take off for someone who was lazy at the light vs someone who cuts a perfect light? I can cut a very good light when I want to, like when bracket racing, but I`m going to a rental on 12/4 for 6 hours of racing 25 cars total, I`m going to sit there and make sure everything is perfect before I launch on quite a few runs to get the most perfect run possible giving conditions, traction ect... Even if my reation time is 1.0 if I run a 12.4@11x... It is still a 12.4@11x.

I guess what I`m saying is if we are judging the driver and not the car should we not take into acount the reaction time? Just food for thought. I`m good w/ either decsion, just playing devil`s advocate...

[coolman]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Well rules are rules and if thats the rules they should be followed. I do personally feel however we are trying to see how fast the car is and not the driver. So we can compare car to car. Since redlighting disqualifies you should we take off for someone who was lazy at the light vs someone who cuts a perfect light? I can cut a very good light when I want to, like when bracket racing, but I`m going to a rental on 12/4 for 6 hours of racing 25 cars total, I`m going to sit there and make sure everything is perfect before I launch on quite a few runs to get the most perfect run possible giving conditions, traction ect... Even if my reation time is 1.0 if I run a 12.4@11x... It is still a 12.4@11x.

I guess what I`m saying is if we are judging the driver and not the car should we not take into acount the reaction time? Just food for thought. I`m good w/ either decsion, just playing devil`s advocate...

I see what your saying and you have some good points. But, for me I've been drag racing a long time with my friends and we never even look at a time if you red lighted. I look at it this way. If you were racing you would have lost.
And why are we all trying to make these cars go faster? It's to win. I've seen it in the other light many times. The slower car wins because he's a better driver. A car is useless without a driver.

[Analogy]

Excuse my ignorance since I have never drag raced. What is red lighting? From what I gather so far it is someone not launching right on green?

[freemaSSon]

Originally Posted by o2camaross

i just went to the track last night and i ran what according to the list is the fastest cai and header only car, no tune.

Date: 11/13/09
Track: Twin city Dragway in Monroe, LA
Weather: 52 degrees about 50% humidity
cai: ADM
headers: stainlessworks 2'' primaries

DAMN THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!

It is fantastic to see such great times with so little done.

Is the Intake the Street or Race?






EDIT FOR THE RED LIGHT DEBATE:

Make a poll and let the members vote. I say if it is a POSITVE light then it is good. The tree operators often program a .500 light and not the FULL TREE .000 light which is what it looks like happened here. He cut a .4089 POSITVE LIGHT! For Test n Tunes it's ALWAYS a FULL TREE not a .500 tree.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by Analogy

Excuse my ignorance since I have never drag raced. What is red lighting? From what I gather so far it is someone not launching right on green?

Red lighting is basically jumping the gun (leaving too early). If it was a real race (for money, etc.) you would be disqualified. But it doesn't affect your track time.

When racing in competition, etc. its important to leave the line as soon as possible without redlighting. If you hesitate or leave the line late, you can easily lose the race even if you run a faster track time. Because the winner is the one that reaches the finish line first, not the car with the fastest time.

[8ty8 ls1]

i agree with everyone else. i red lighted by .030 of a second i think (not looking at my slip right now). and yes, if it were a competition race, i would have lost. but disqualifying times on a FAST LIST, which is a comparison of what the CARS do and not the DRIVER, is just ridiculous. My car would have gone the 12.90 weather i waited or not. In my opinion (as well as others it seems) it is totally unfair to disqualify slips based on RT. Bad dates, i can understand as well as other inconsistencies. But actually taking people off of the list because of a red light? I'm sorry, but i didn't know i was racing other people on a car forum. I thought i was trying my best to compare car to car no matter what time someone left the line. 1320 Junkie of all people should know that the RT doesn't matter when it comes to ET's. As the 1/4 mile fast list rules state, there is no mention of RT anywhere except when timeslips are posted because that's the only piece of information where a RT is noted. There is no point in changing the rules now unless you want a bunch of unhappy racers that never knew that the reaction time counted. IMO this stipulation should have been posted before the list even started. I would like for him to post in this thread about the red lighting situation because it honestly makes no sense to account for RT's when doing a fast list. That's not my opinion, just fact.

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

I'm guessing here, I spoke to Junkie on the phone today. He's away from a computer but getting updates through his mobile phone.

He asked me to explain to you all that he doesn't want red lights to count nor incorrect time slips.

This is his thread as he's a very accomplished driver. I'll let him give you all the details if he chooses.

As such, it is my guess that the fast list is as much a test of the driver as it is the performance of the car. But you'll have to get that answer from him.

Again this is my guess as to what Junkie is thinking. I expect him to be back online on Tues. I'm sure he'll explain it when he gets back. He is certainly aware of the discussion being had here.

Sorry for the second hand message.

I know thats not your call, but thats ****ed up dude.