Mustangs................

[Mr Smith]

Be nice now boys....



BTW..Did they ever ugly that thing up this year or what? Looks like a red headed step child with the redesign of the front end and back end.

[boxmonkeyracing]

hmmm read some of the comments on there. looks like some of those guys are still not in the know about the competition. 40k for a camaro SS? seriously. guess they don't realize the track pack mustang that keeps getting compared to it is 35k and the SS was 34k.

[DropTheGloves]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

hmmm read some of the comments on there. looks like some of those guys are still not in the know about the competition. 40k for a camaro SS? seriously. guess they don't realize the track pack mustang that keeps getting compared to it is 35k and the SS was 34k.

Truth be told, I'd rather spend 46k on a new 2010 Shelby GT500 than on a new camaro...why? IMO I think the front of the GT500 looks better, has a better rear, better interior, and more power. That's me, other's may think different, and that's fine. However, with some of the appearance packages, it makes the camaro ss in the 45k range as well.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by DropTheGloves

Truth be told, I'd rather spend 46k on a new 2010 Shelby GT500 than on a new camaro...why? IMO I think the front of the GT500 looks better, has a better rear, better interior, and more power. That's me, other's may think different, and that's fine. However, with some of the appearance packages, it makes the camaro ss in the 45k range as well.

packages? ok lets start with the 2SS at 34350 (base) ground effects 2700 + stripes 500+ RS package 1200 = 38750 before TTL. are you including the bigger rims that are 2k + auto + sunroof? because personally the exact camaro I'm wanting comes in at 3850 (if I decide to get the ground effects) and performance close to the GT500. IF the Z doesn't bow by 2012.

people automatically assume that the camaro is starting at 40k with statements like that on those boards. and it's utterly false. a 2SS comes with just about every option you could want besides the ones I didn't add in.

I've had friends that drive mustangs/challengers tell me that the camaro starts out at 40k. I asked where did they hear that and they told me the internet and they also look at dealer mark ups. I laugh and tell them to look around and shop around.

btw who said anything about the GT500 being price compared? as tested in an autoweek article both gt and camaro were 35k. that was my point. people assume the camaro SS is outragous in price and it's not.

[DropTheGloves]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

packages? ok lets start with the 2SS at 34350 (base) ground effects 2700 + stripes 500+ RS package 1200 = 38750 before TTL. are you including the bigger rims that are 2k + auto + sunroof? because personally the exact camaro I'm wanting comes in at 3850 (if I decide to get the ground effects) and performance close to the GT500. IF the Z doesn't bow by 2012.

people automatically assume that the camaro is starting at 40k with statements like that on those boards. and it's utterly false. a 2SS comes with just about every option you could want besides the ones I didn't add in.

I've had friends that drive mustangs/challengers tell me that the camaro starts out at 40k. I asked where did they hear that and they told me the internet and they also look at dealer mark ups. I laugh and tell them to look around and shop around.

btw who said anything about the GT500 being price compared? as tested in an autoweek article both gt and camaro were 35k. that was my point. people assume the camaro SS is outragous in price and it's not.

Aren't you the feisty one pumpkin. I think you need to understand something, the dealers around you, are not the same dealers around us. I have seen ridiculous prices for that car. Not to mention, the almighty dealer mark up. I can not, and would not justify paying 35-38k for that car, and then add another 7-10k just for appearance modifications/ect...

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by DropTheGloves

Aren't you the feisty one pumpkin. I think you need to understand something, the dealers around you, are not the same dealers around us. I have seen ridiculous prices for that car. Not to mention, the almighty dealer mark up. I can not, and would not justify paying 35-38k for that car, and then add another 7-10k just for appearance modifications/ect...

we have hendrick in cary nc and guess what they were asking 10k over for their first few models. also we have deacon jones closer to the house that said 10k over msrp just to order one. did people pay for them, yes. but I could take you to several other dealers in the area that would sell at MSRP. it's a mixed bag you HAVE to shop around. and 7-10 for appearance mods from the factory? or are you wanting to mod after? either way 46k, or is it 48k, for msrp on the new GT500 + mods. . .

you are arguing something that's totally subjective. the point that the guy made was why would I want a 40k camaro when the mustang is so close and can out handle it in corners? but you can look at all the comparisons between the two (GT+track pack and camaro 2SS) and the price points are right neck and neck. and you can still buy at MSRP for a camaro. arguing for a gt500 blah blah blah is like saying hey I can have a better car if I spend 10k+ more for it. yes you can. and looks are totally subjective.

[ShnOmac]

The one thing I did find interesting in that little blurb was that they will start taking orders around Jan 2010..... I wonder if we will see some upgrades and or hear some news around that time.... hmmmmmm

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

The one thing I did find interesting in that little blurb was that they will start taking orders around Jan 2010..... I wonder if we will see some upgrades and or hear some news around that time.... hmmmmmm

I'd say most likely. Hopefully they have the mindset that they don't want their customers to blindly buy Mustangs based on the alleged, non-official power ratings, etc.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

because personally the exact camaro I'm wanting comes in at 3850 (if I decide to get the ground effects) and performance close to the GT500. IF the Z doesn't bow by 2012.

As you insinuate the Camaro SS is available for much less than a GT500 if you choose to get one that way. Of course, the GT500 does effectively come fully loaded with the exception of a few options even in base trim, but even in comparable trim levels a Camaro SS is appreciably less expensive.

That said, I am surprised that the inaccurate 'similar performance' misconception is still making the rounds here even though I do understand the enthusiasm for the home team. Several mainstream auto rags have gotten the new GT500 into the low 12's, and Evan Smith of MM&FF wheeled one into the very high 11's with no mods other than slightly lower rear tire pressure. As far as I know no Camaro SS has ever gone faster than a 12.8x second 1/4 mile thus far. If you have ever been to a drag strip then you know that a one second difference in the 1/4 mile times doesn't look like a particularly close race.

The cars aren't close in any performance aspect outside of braking, and that is how it should be given the price difference.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by syr74

As you insinuate the Camaro SS is available for much less than a GT500 if you choose to get one that way. Of course, the GT500 does effectively come fully loaded with the exception of a few options even in base trim, but even in comparable trim levels a Camaro SS is appreciably less expensive.

That said, I am surprised that the inaccurate 'similar performance' misconception is still making the rounds here even though I do understand the enthusiasm for the home team. Several mainstream auto rags have gotten the new GT500 into the low 12's, and Evan Smith of MM&FF wheeled one into the very high 11's with no mods other than slightly lower rear tire pressure. As far as I know no Camaro SS has ever gone faster than a 12.8x second 1/4 mile thus far. If you have ever been to a drag strip then you know that a one second difference in the 1/4 mile times doesn't look like a particularly close race.

The cars aren't close in any performance aspect outside of braking, and that is how it should be given the price difference.

with motortrend and the avg drive of a GT500 will be high 12's in the 1/4. I was generally saying that if you're using the argument about price vs performance you can argue both ends of the spectrum.

I have had my fair shair of 1320 passes. destroying mustangs and others alike at over 1 second differences. I by no means have had a fast car or am a great driver. 12.5 is not fast it's quick. but I've destroyed far superior cars at the strip due to drivers.

for me there is no misconception about the performance of the GT500. there's no misconception about the modability of the GT500. it is far superior to the SS. with someone that knows how to use the power, and has learned the car.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by syr74

As you insinuate the Camaro SS is available for much less than a GT500 if you choose to get one that way. Of course, the GT500 does effectively come fully loaded with the exception of a few options even in base trim, but even in comparable trim levels a Camaro SS is appreciably less expensive.

That said, I am surprised that the inaccurate 'similar performance' misconception is still making the rounds here even though I do understand the enthusiasm for the home team. Several mainstream auto rags have gotten the new GT500 into the low 12's, and Evan Smith of MM&FF wheeled one into the very high 11's with no mods other than slightly lower rear tire pressure. As far as I know no Camaro SS has ever gone faster than a 12.8x second 1/4 mile thus far. If you have ever been to a drag strip then you know that a one second difference in the 1/4 mile times doesn't look like a particularly close race.

The cars aren't close in any performance aspect outside of braking, and that is how it should be given the price difference.

Well with only one minor mod (filter removal) some guy went 12.69 (believe it was 12.6... can't remember exactly) in a SS. Obviously the GT500 is ahead of the Camaro, as it should be. And given optimal conditions, the GT500 would leave the SS like it's parked.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

with motortrend and the avg drive of a GT500 will be high 12's in the 1/4. I was generally saying that if you're using the argument about price vs performance you can argue both ends of the spectrum.

I have had my fair shair of 1320 passes. destroying mustangs and others alike at over 1 second differences. I by no means have had a fast car or am a great driver. 12.5 is not fast it's quick. but I've destroyed far superior cars at the strip due to drivers.

for me there is no misconception about the performance of the GT500. there's no misconception about the modability of the GT500. it is far superior to the SS. with someone that knows how to use the power, and has learned the car.

Same can be said about the camaro. Not everyone pulls 12.8's and 12.9's... I'd say the average would be 13.2 - 13.4.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I'd say most likely. Hopefully they have the mindset that they don't want their customers to blindly buy Mustangs based on the alleged, non-official power ratings, etc.

Ford has said that all questions on the 2011 Mustang will be answered at LA in early dec

[Scotsman]

Choices choices choices. I llke the fact Ford is giving customers the option of making their Mustang highly personalized with an assortment of options to choose from.