Mods and warranty

[1bad67camaro]

mero mike my biggist problem was srt4 neons the mods done where wrong installs and over boosting turbos and cummins trucks with chips causing trannys to get stuck on second gear when i write service i dont want a custumer to lie then i wont cover it if there honist i will help thats the way i am dont lie get help lie and get nothing pay for your repairs

[MaroMike]

Originally Posted by 1bad67camaro

mero mike my biggist problem was srt4 neons the mods done where wrong installs and over boosting turbos and cummins trucks with chips causing trannys to get stuck on second gear when i write service i dont want a custumer to lie then i wont cover it if there honist i will help thats the way i am dont lie get help lie and get nothing pay for your repairs

That's correctamundo amigo!! If the mods are at fault, whether defective from the manufacturer, or installation screw up's........that's tough toe nails for Mr. Car Owner.

BTW, I meant to mention this, I'm sure you guys know this, your Camaro fans, which makes you smart , that handheld power programmers should be hooked up, and the stock settings returned to the ECM before visiting the dealer..............if not.........fess up.........it may or may not matter.......but they'll know.

It's always come down to the individual dealer, their attitude, their desire to keep customers coming back.

There are lots of occasion's when the dealer's hand's are tied, the customer is at fault, and they gotta pay.

Regards!! Mike

[Bait8]

Originally Posted by Moose

I've heard rumors that GM may offer performance upgrades through the dealers. That would be pretty neat, being able to pick from a list of performance upgrades when ordering a new Camaro.

That would be so awesome. These Camaros I am assuming will of course come with a 6 speed MT right people?

Originally Posted by MaroMike

Your welcome amigo. I install all of those mods on my muscle cars, and NEVER, have I had a problem. Even did the P&P heads and intake on this beast......with only 1,200 miles on the clock.

I like the way the Dodge Charger SRT looks and everything but I completely laughed in the face of the dealer when he told my there is no manual, what the hell...a muscle car in auto? COME ON!

[MaroMike]

Originally Posted by Bait8

That would be so awesome. These Camaros I am assuming will of course come with a 6 speed MT right people?



I like the way the Dodge Charger SRT looks and everything but I completely laughed in the face of the dealer when he told my there is no manual, what the hell...a muscle car in auto? COME ON!

I understand. It has autostick, but not the same as manual to be sure. DCX decided that a 4200 lb. muscle sedan with more than 425 hp would be fine with the autostick.

Trust me when I tell you.....it's scary fast for it's size.

BTW......I sold it. Waiting for the Maro!!

Mike

[MerF]

Originally Posted by 1bad67camaro

mero mike my biggist problem was srt4 neons the mods done where wrong installs and over boosting turbos and cummins trucks with chips causing trannys to get stuck on second gear when i write service i dont want a custumer to lie then i wont cover it if there honist i will help thats the way i am dont lie get help lie and get nothing pay for your repairs

Man, I'm sorry but your posts seriously could go through a proofreading process before hitting submit. It's really hard to se anything you're saying.:o

As for your post though, you're definitely talking about two things that invalidate the point. 1) It's pretty common sense that changing timing and fuel curves is going to void things out...and most certainly boost levels. One mistake and you're going to cause devastating damage. We're definitely talking about bolt-on minor changes.
2) You're referring to Dodges. You should never mod a Dodge, because you have to just KNOW it's going back to the dealer multiple times for repairs.

I crack myself up (last part was just a cheap shot at Dodge, I mean nothing by it).

[Bait8]

Originally Posted by MaroMike

I understand. It has autostick, but not the same as manual to be sure. DCX decided that a 4200 lb. muscle sedan with more than 425 hp would be fine with the autostick.

Trust me when I tell you.....it's scary fast for it's size.

BTW......I sold it. Waiting for the Maro!!

Mike

I am sure it is fast, it has little choice with that much power, but I just personally prefer the clutch and shifting myself...makes me feel more in-touch with the car and like I control it. More fun in my opinion, of course that is all it is at the end..opinion...cause I know these days the cars have so much power that it makes little difference what tranny is moving it.

I just found the lack of having it as an option weird you know?

[MaroMike]

Originally Posted by Bait8

I am sure it is fast, it has little choice with that much power, but I just personally prefer the clutch and shifting myself...makes me feel more in-touch with the car and like I control it. More fun in my opinion, of course that is all it is at the end..opinion...cause I know these days the cars have so much power that it makes little difference what tranny is moving it.

I just found the lack of having it as an option weird you know?

I hear ya pal...........the new Challenger however WILL have a manual as an option.......at least they didn't screw that up!!

[MaroMike]

Originally Posted by MerF

Man, I'm sorry but your posts seriously could go through a proofreading process before hitting submit. It's really hard to se anything you're saying.:o

As for your post though, you're definitely talking about two things that invalidate the point. 1) It's pretty common sense that changing timing and fuel curves is going to void things out...and most certainly boost levels. One mistake and you're going to cause devastating damage. We're definitely talking about bolt-on minor changes.
2) You're referring to Dodges. You should never mod a Dodge, because you have to just KNOW it's going back to the dealer multiple times for repairs.

I crack myself up (last part was just a cheap shot at Dodge, I mean nothing by it).

:p :p Years ago that was true.........not so much these days. Even BMW's have repair centers................. good thing too <run's and hides before objects start flying>

[bcannan354]

It sound like you should stick to the dealer for any modifications we want to do. GM is going to do the CAMARO right, I think a lot of after market "goodies" will be available.

I seen on TV, some time ago, the car manufactors are spending more time and money trying to get more of the after market business from the buyer. Makes sense to me, I would rather buy it and have it installed where I bought the car.

[AFSNightrod]

Exactly. From Mopar you could get a 340-360(am I correct?) HP Stage 3 SRT4. With a warranty.

[Bait8]

Originally Posted by bcannan354

It sound like you should stick to the dealer for any modifications we want to do. GM is going to do the CAMARO right, I think a lot of after market "goodies" will be available.

I seen on TV, some time ago, the car manufactors are spending more time and money trying to get more of the after market business from the buyer. Makes sense to me, I would rather buy it and have it installed where I bought the car.

I agree, but if they don't offer a drop on the car that pleases me then I have no choice but to get it else where.

[JWz28]

Originally Posted by MerF

So, there you are....picking up your special-ordered 5th gen. But my God does it have some wheel gap. And what was Chevy thinking putting such a restrictive exhaust on it? And wow Saleen's Power Programmer is a guaranteed 30 rwhp.....

All speculation of course to start conversation.

I'm REALLY hoping that I can talk the right talk with the dealership in what they will allow me to do to the car and keep it within warranty specs....even if it means them doing the work ($$$ I'm sure). ESPECIALLY if I break down and get a first-year model coupe instead of holding out to see if they do like the GTO and wait to work out the real deal in the following year-models.

How about you? Are you willing to go the extra mile to try to break 500 rwhp in your brand new car, or are you going to try to ride out the warranty incase GM QA misses something that suddenly plagues the '09s a year or two after release and you rwarranty has to cover it...but oops...that intake you installed voids the warranty on the MAF/MAP (or whatevr they use) and you are now paying out of pocket....

This is a dilemma for me. I'm not known for keeping my cars stock...it's no fun...but I truly do worry about first-year model cars from ANY dealer, and keeping that 4-5 year warrantee may just be necessary afterall.

I think trying to mod one of these cars within the first year would not be advisable. If 5th gen comes out with active fuel managment it is going to take a while for the aftermarket crowd to develop tuning software that can reprogram the PCM / ECU safely. The lead time to develop programing software from the LS1 which could safely tune the LS6 was at least a year. With active fuel managment you can add more time to that given the complexity of the programming involved.

If some shade tree speed shop tells you that they can tune the '09 Camaro six months after it comes out I'd be highly suspicious. I'd ask to see proof of how many they have done and would want to see dyno charts of before and after results, mods done and would also want to talk to the owner of the car to see if they have had any issues.

If you still are not satisfied with what the '09 has as far as power, another option would be to pull the motor and store it, and slip in a LS7 crate motor and cam it, put on headers and hi-flow cats. That would be good for 535RWHP. I have seen it done on the C6 Z-06.

JWz28.

[MerF]

Damn I didn't even think about the active fuel management. Very good point.

[acscamarochick06]

Originally Posted by MerF

Man, I'm sorry but your posts seriously could go through a proofreading process before hitting submit. It's really hard to se anything you're saying.:o

As for your post though, you're definitely talking about two things that invalidate the point. 1) It's pretty common sense that changing timing and fuel curves is going to void things out...and most certainly boost levels. One mistake and you're going to cause devastating damage. We're definitely talking about bolt-on minor changes.
2) You're referring to Dodges. You should never mod a Dodge, because you have to just KNOW it's going back to the dealer multiple times for repairs.

I crack myself up (last part was just a cheap shot at Dodge, I mean nothing by it).

Seriously, my boyfriend has a 2005 dodge truck and he put a box on it and it was taken to the dealership 4 times within 2 months... Dodges are pieces of crap... Plus the dealer is really sh!tty...