BMW M3 vs. Camaro SS?

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Alright let's all never talk about cars we can't afford... I didn't know that there was a salary-cap I had to meet in order to speak about certain cars. My bad mayne.

I didn't say you can't talk about cars you can't afford. Learn to read, I was talking about TRACK courses that you will never be allow to drive on. So why care about a lap time when the majority of people here will never take any of their cars out and race on anything besides a drag track.

Over your head I see.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ssump29

I didn't say you can't talk about cars you can't afford. Learn to read, I was talking about TRACK courses that you will never be allow to drive on. So why care about a lap time when the majority of people here will never take any of their cars out and race on anything besides a drag track.

Over your head I see.

Why care? Because we are comparing vehicles not what we do with our lives.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Why care? Because we are comparing vehicles not what we do with our lives.

Nevermind, you still don't get it. Point is just cause you can go around a lap faster then another car doesn't make it superior. Geezzzzzzz. There is more to life then one upping the other. As I said people who buy these cars can care less about what lap times they have ran. Hell the majority of buyers won't even know what those courses are, thus making it an moot point as to why they purchased a car.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Nevermind, you still don't get it. Point is just cause you can go around a lap faster then another car doesn't make it superior. Geezzzzzzz. There is more to life then one upping the other. As I said people who buy these cars can care less about what lap times they have ran. Hell the majority of buyers won't even know what those courses are, thus making it an moot point as to why they purchased a car.

Because you can go around a track faster, post better individual handling results, and can go faster in a straight line make it superior in a performance aspect.

No one is arguing to why someone purchased a car. Someone asked to compare the M3 vs. SS, and obviously the M3 beats it in every category given the amount of money put into the M3 against the Camaro. Compare the M3 to something in it's price range such as the CTS-V, you have all that quality of a M3, plus the extra performance to outdo it.

You think people who buy CTS-Vs care about lap times?

[KoTToN]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Kotton, I would leave Porsche out of it. Unlike Ferrari/GTR who seem only concerned with track times, Porsche is about enjoyment.

Yes they are great performance cars, but they are built to be enjoyed... perfect handling, outstanding balance... If you're a good driver there are few cars that are as enjoyable to drive. So the GT2 might very well be slower than the ZR1 (BTW the top of the line Porsche currently on sale is the GT3 RS) but that is irrelevant to anyone who buys one.


Now again, I didn't read through that whole mess just picked up that the GT2 had been dragged into it. If cc is attempting to say all Porsche's are faster around a track... that's a whole different argument. And it would be false.

I didnt bring porsche into anything, return threw the gt2 into conversation when he compared its lap times to the gtr trying to discredit lap time usage for comparisons.


btw its pretty funny how people talk about the performance of the cars being discussed untill someone brings in data to prove that they fall short. The conversation then magically turns to "well those cars about about more than performance"

There are a lot of difference countries that make cars that are fun to drive, hell one of the rags said the miata was the best in that category. I wouldnt exactly say they were top of the food chain for luxury either, since it seems price doesnt playa role in these comparisons.

[KoTToN]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Nevermind, you still don't get it. Point is just cause you can go around a lap faster then another car doesn't make it superior. Geezzzzzzz. There is more to life then one upping the other. As I said people who buy these cars can care less about what lap times they have ran. Hell the majority of buyers won't even know what those courses are, thus making it an moot point as to why they purchased a car.

Anyone who buys an M series or AMG series for that matter does so for the performance aspect of it. Why? Because that is the single biggest difference between those cars and lets say a regular 300 or 500 series.

Lap times are a direct result of performance, and i would venture to say that most owners of those cars are familiar with popular tracks.

i think you still dont get it

thats like someone with a z06 losing a race and then saying "well i didnt buy this car for its performance, theres more to it" I would equally raise the bs flag on him or her as well.

[MrIcky]

Every time a new BMW vs Camaro thread gets started, a puppy dies.

[mrray13]

I just checked, my puppy is okay, whewww

[MrIcky]

You lucked out then, because there are alot of BMW vs threads.

[mrray13]

Yeah. I got worried.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by KoTToN

Anyone who buys an M series or AMG series for that matter does so for the performance aspect of it. Why? Because that is the single biggest difference between those cars and lets say a regular 300 or 500 series.

Lap times are a direct result of performance, and i would venture to say that most owners of those cars are familiar with popular tracks.

i think you still dont get it

thats like someone with a z06 losing a race and then saying "well i didnt buy this car for its performance, theres more to it" I would equally raise the bs flag on him or her as well.

Ok, nevermind like I said when I brought my M6 I didn't do it based on what it does around any track or for the most performance on the market. If some only want performance there are a lot of cheaper cars one could by. I spent 94,000 on my M6 and will still get outperformed by the Z06. But I will tell you this much overall the M6 is a better overall car. Some people like me have money and like the high end of things. Yes I like the regular 6 series but a v10 sounds so much nicer and it's funnier to drive for those moments when I want to have a little fun. Do I care about what my car can do around a course track, NO. Simple reason I will never ever race my car, not even has it seen a drag strip either, I have a 05 GTO for that purpose. So you see, although you think everyone whom buys a M series or AMG or any performance car care about every little performance detail of it you are wrong. Some buy just because they can and its a status symbol and simply because its the top of the line car of that model.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Ok, nevermind like I said when I brought my M6 I didn't do it based on what it does around any track or for the most performance on the market. If some only want performance there are a lot of cheaper cars one could by. I spent 94,000 on my M6 and will still get outperformed by the Z06. But I will tell you this much overall the M6 is a better overall car. Some people like me have money and like the high end of things. Yes I like the regular 6 series but a v10 sounds so much nicer and it's funnier to drive for those moments when I want to have a little fun. Do I care about what my car can do around a course track, NO. Simple reason I will never ever race my car, not even has it seen a drag strip either, I have a 05 GTO for that purpose. So you see, although you think everyone whom buys a M series or AMG or any performance car care about every little performance detail of it you are wrong. Some buy just because they can and its a status symbol and simply because its the top of the line car of that model.

You bought a car based reputation? You spent $94,000 on a vehicle but didn't care how it performed? Both of those just show you are biased towards a certain company.

It's a better car because it "sounds" better, it looks better, etc.? Everything you just said is based on your opinion. If opinions are the law here... IMO I would rather have a cheaper car that blows yours out of the water while you sit there and tell yourself "Well mine is the ultimate driving machine." (Not to bash BMW because I understand you pay for more than performance, but don't act like the car is the best in class.)

[SWAT 79]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

So would the ZR1 or the cobalt SS win?

Depends if the cobalt has an ls3 in it....

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

Depends if the cobalt has an ls3 in it....

Also the Cobalt driver has to be an engineer, NO NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY APPLICANTS NEED APPLY!