Mass Production

[THUMPER20X]

Originally Posted by bfarnin

So I pick up my baby this afternoon, 2ss/rss rjt. the concern i have that this car is so special to me, and i'm sure to all of you, but the point being, is it horrifies me that GM is just going to mass produce these things in the upcoming couple years, and your going to see evrybody and their grandmother driving one. Now I know that everybody can't afford the 2ss, but i just don't want to see the market oversaturated with the v-6's, which start in the low 20k range, which is afffordable to all the little girlies out there, who just want "the look" of the car. I don't want to sound stereotypical, but most of the men want the ss or nothing i would guess. this would limit the car out there because of affordability. it won't feel special to me anymore seeing the car in large numbers out on the road, like the old days. remember that?......camaros, firebirds galore evrywhere in the 80's n 90's. i hope GM recognizes they have something special here, and does not jeapordize the integrity of this special aura that is surrounding this car, just for the sake of $ signs. anybody with any insight on this thought?

Maybe you should take yours back and return it and buy a BMW. This post has more douche than the feminine hygiene isle at the drugstore. I hope they make a million of them.

[nashstat]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

Ferrari and Lamborghini have the ability to keep a car limited and exclusive as thats how their business is built, GM doesn't have that luxury.

Great point... to go a little further:

Almost all exotic cars are backed up by a giant mass production car manufacturer... these "exotics" cannot survive without them... keep in mind most of them started off on their own, but eventually got bought over by giant mass producing auto companies.

Ferrari < Fiat (which owns a ton of businesses besides cars)
Lamborghini < Audi < VW
Lotus < Proton (cheaper cars manufacturer in Malayasia)
Bentley < VW
Rolls Royce < BMW
Maybach < Mercedes
Bugatti < VW

... You get the point...

[THUMPER20X]

Originally Posted by nashstat

Great point... to go a little further:

Almost all exotic cars are backed up by a giant mass production car manufacturer... these "exotics" cannot survive without them... keep in mind most of them started off on their own, but eventually got bought over by giant mass producing auto companies.

Ferrari < Fiat (which owns a ton of businesses besides cars)
Lamborghini < Audi < VW
Lotus < Proton (cheaper cars manufacturer in Malayasia)
Bentley < VW
Rolls Royce < BMW
Maybach < Mercedes
Bugatti < VW

... You get the point...

Dont forget the average exotic is about 230,000K lol.

[AZ MSCL]

Originally Posted by bfarnin

So I pick up my baby this afternoon, 2ss/rss rjt. the concern i have that this car is so special to me, and i'm sure to all of you, but the point being, is it horrifies me that GM is just going to mass produce these things in the upcoming couple years, and your going to see evrybody and their grandmother driving one. Now I know that everybody can't afford the 2ss, but i just don't want to see the market oversaturated with the v-6's, which start in the low 20k range, which is afffordable to all the little girlies out there, who just want "the look" of the car. I don't want to sound stereotypical, but most of the men want the ss or nothing i would guess. this would limit the car out there because of affordability. it won't feel special to me anymore seeing the car in large numbers out on the road, like the old days. remember that?......camaros, firebirds galore evrywhere in the 80's n 90's. i hope GM recognizes they have something special here, and does not jeapordize the integrity of this special aura that is surrounding this car, just for the sake of $ signs. anybody with any insight on this thought?

Unfortunately, Chevy needs the money, it's business and they will produce as many as they can sell. While I agree it would be nice to limit production on this car, its just not realistic. Chevy is cranking out thousands and thousands of Camaros, V6s and V8s and they are all selling. While this will help Chevy financially and make a lot of want-to-be Camaro owners happy, the down side is in a couple of years, you won't be able to swing a dead cat without hitting a new Camaro of one kind or another.

I also think your comment about V6s appealing only to "little girlies" will go over like a lead balloon here. That's a pretty awful comment to make - particularly to those who prefer the V6 or can't quite afford an SS right now.

[AZ MSCL]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

Not at all. In order for resale values to be bottomed out there need to be a lot of them for sale. I do not anticipate that for this car as while there will be a lot, there won't be as many for sale as you'd expect.

A good example of bottomed out resale is the Ford Explorer, there were millions of them made, and due to the gas problems and the fact they are pieces of shit theres a ton of them for sale. That has really bottomed their resale values out.

I don't have a crystal ball but the reality is most people who buy popular muscle cars are not true muscle car lovers - once the novelty wears off for them and some new trendy thing comes out, the Camaro will go up for sale. And it's not just Camaros - Challengers and Mustangs are in the same boat. While I have a hard time understanding this (and I'm sure most owners here do as well), it is the reality of the situation and always has been.

[chevyss]

I love all nice cars. V6 or V8 no matter. I like the Dodge, Mustang and Camaro. I purchased the Camaro SS/RS is because I've been a GM buyer forever. Just love the Camaro for the way it looks and it brings back so much of the 60s and 70s. We are all just one family of Camaro lovers, so just drive them and enjoy every minute.

[slicker]

Originally Posted by bfarnin

So I pick up my baby this afternoon, 2ss/rss rjt. the concern i have that this car is so special to me, and i'm sure to all of you, but the point being, is it horrifies me that GM is just going to mass produce these things in the upcoming couple years, and your going to see evrybody and their grandmother driving one. Now I know that everybody can't afford the 2ss, but i just don't want to see the market oversaturated with the v-6's, which start in the low 20k range, which is afffordable to all the little girlies out there, who just want "the look" of the car. I don't want to sound stereotypical, but most of the men want the ss or nothing i would guess. this would limit the car out there because of affordability. it won't feel special to me anymore seeing the car in large numbers out on the road, like the old days. remember that?......camaros, firebirds galore evrywhere in the 80's n 90's. i hope GM recognizes they have something special here, and does not jeapordize the integrity of this special aura that is surrounding this car, just for the sake of $ signs. anybody with any insight on this thought?

i just wanted to make a commit on this gm did a good job on this car and because of this car there should be a light at the end of the tunnal for gm. but people buy the camaro for many of diffrent reason and you dont have to be a speed demond to own one. im a guy and i love my 1lt 6a. because its a camero. and thats all that matters. i could of very well bought a ss. i did not want one. i got excectly what i ordered and wanted. its a camaro and i love the way it makes me feel when i drive it.

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by 5thGenOwner

I wasn't exactly talking about "making it exclusive"... I was talking about the push to "green", and the Camaro ain't exactly the poster child. Even the S. GREEN is only going to come in a v6... is there a reason for that?

And you'll have a hard time convincing me that the 100% owners of a company (GM) have no say or better yet, don't want to have any say in the company which they own.

I hope for our sake the government does get out of the car making business, asap! But as it stands, they are in it... in it DEEP!

Yeah but the thread was about the OP wanting GM to not make V6s and make the car more exclusive so they won't be so prolific on the road. I just don't see how your post is connecting to it.

And the US Government is not 100% owners of General Motors, they own 61% of the company with the rest being held by the UAW, Canada, and a small percentage by the bondholders of the prior company. Yes the government did make Rick Wagoner step down. They do have a controlling interest. But they have specifically stated they wanted to put management into place to get the company back on its feet and going the right direction so they can be out of this proposition as quickly as possible. Look at GM's future product plans for the next 2 years (CTS coupe, Z28, C7 project back on, etc) The government wants them to make money, thats it.

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by AZ MSCL

I don't have a crystal ball but the reality is most people who buy popular muscle cars are not true muscle car lovers - once the novelty wears off for them and some new trendy thing comes out, the Camaro will go up for sale. And it's not just Camaros - Challengers and Mustangs are in the same boat. While I have a hard time understanding this (and I'm sure most owners here do as well), it is the reality of the situation and always has been.

Yes but these cars are far different from vehicles that have bottomed out. Mustangs have been selling like hotcakes for years and they hold their value decently.

OTOH a vehicle like the Explorer (that fold sold over 1.6 MILLION of them from 1999 to 2002 alone), way more are sold and way more are dumped, those types of vehicles bottom out. I just don't see this future mass exodus from the muscle car, as these cars are far more practical than their predecesors, and they are all take away sales from similar vehicles.

[AZ MSCL]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

Yes but these cars are far different from vehicles that have bottomed out. Mustangs have been selling like hotcakes for years and they hold their value decently.

OTOH a vehicle like the Explorer (that fold sold over 1.6 MILLION of them from 1999 to 2002 alone), way more are sold and way more are dumped, those types of vehicles bottom out. I just don't see this future mass exodus from the muscle car, as these cars are far more practical than their predecesors, and they are all take away sales from similar vehicles.

Believe me, I hope I'm wrong.

[rico-2SS]

Whoever said people buy V8 muscle cars to compensate is either 12 or never owned a muscle
car. And I think if any one told a V6 owner they should have bought a v8 should be tied to bumper and drug around town.

People buy what they want for there own reasons and it's really great for them and they don't have to explain themselves to anyone .

I hope GM produces the crap out of this car and it sells like hotcakes.

[Ravirn]

Originally Posted by rico-2SS

People buy what they want for there own reasons and it's really great for them and they don't have to explain themselves to anyone.

Exactly. I ordered my V8 because I "have" to have one. Those who bought V6's have the same grins, and take the same delight out of their vehicle. The more the merrier!

Originally Posted by rico-2SS

I hope GM produces the crap out of this car and it sells like hotcakes.

Likewise!

[MightyT]

Originally Posted by bfarnin

So I pick up my baby this afternoon, 2ss/rss rjt. the concern i have that this car is so special to me, and i'm sure to all of you, but the point being, is it horrifies me that GM is just going to mass produce these things in the upcoming couple years, and your going to see evrybody and their grandmother driving one. Now I know that everybody can't afford the 2ss, but i just don't want to see the market oversaturated with the v-6's, which start in the low 20k range, which is afffordable to all the little girlies out there, who just want "the look" of the car. I don't want to sound stereotypical, but most of the men want the ss or nothing i would guess. this would limit the car out there because of affordability. it won't feel special to me anymore seeing the car in large numbers out on the road, like the old days. remember that?......camaros, firebirds galore evrywhere in the 80's n 90's. i hope GM recognizes they have something special here, and does not jeapordize the integrity of this special aura that is surrounding this car, just for the sake of $ signs. anybody with any insight on this thought?

Wow! ... For a guy who doesn't want to sound stereotypical, that's pretty much all you've done ...

As you have been told, most of the Camaro's being sold are V-8's, so why aren't you making some comments like "those overcompensating macho wanna-be's" are saturating the market and ruining it for us V-6 owners who think our cars are special?? Huh?

And ... some V-6 folks do buy their cars for looks too, but I am sure it wasn't the looks that first motivated you, right? I spent $35k for mine because it had every option I'd ever want and the V-6 mileage was the sweet spot since I am someone who commutes (Hello!). Also, 304HP is nothing to laugh at either. This is not a 4th Gen V-6 Camaro dude.

Anyway, my "macho" comments aove are not my own opinion. I just used them as an opposing point of reference because I am tired of "some" V-8 SS guys making themselves look good by making others look bad.

If I didn't have to commute some much everyday I'd be a proud owner of a V-8, but for now I am proud owner of a V-6 Camaro. And I know I am not alone.

Bottom line is, all 5th Gen Camaro's are strikingly good looking, perform and are flat desirable. Since they are selling at a much higher rate than any other muscle cars, get over it, there will be many others. Just enjoy the fact that you got to be one of the first and have fun with your ride.

[Ravirn]

Originally Posted by MightyT

Anyway, my "macho" comments aove are not my own opinion. I just used them as an opposing point of reference because I am tired of "some" V-8 SS guys making themselves look good by making others look bad.

If I didn't have to commute some much everyday I'd be a proud owner of a V-8, but for now I am proud owner of a V-6 Camaro. And I know I am not alone.

Bottom line is, all 5th Gen Camaro's are strikingly good looking, perform and are flat desirable. Since they are selling at a much higher rate than any other muscle cars, get over it, there will be many others. Just enjoy the fact that you got to be one of the first and have fun with your ride.

As a big macho guy who ordered a V8 Camaro, allow me to thank you for buying the V6 Camaro. I hope thousands and thousands more of you buy them. We need the Camaro to SELL, and sell well! The more sold, the merrier. I personally would like to see GM back on their feet financially, and operating in the black. Having the Camaro be a part of that turnaround will be awesome!

I would never disparage anyone who bough an LS or LT. I ordered the 2SS because that's what I want. If you got what you wanted, I am ecstatic for you. And glad you chose the Camaro! It's an fantastic car!