Camaro Falling Apart?????

[greenrail]

Hmmm, Toyotas....

Engine oil sludge problems, frame rusting on Tundras, recent gas pedal revelations, rear tailgates that bend when you sit on them (Tundra again).......

Hardly what I would call a "problem free" record

[greenrail]

Originally Posted by Myothercarisafireengine

I have to say thanks again to all of you who are supportive..to answer one of the posters, no my car does not fall under the 60 days..

I really do love my car..I truly do..it is a head turner (until they look at the paint up close) It is just all of the issues...Like I said before my other GM vehicles were great. I guess I was expecting too much from this one, but when you drive down the road and a bolt falls of literally...?

I really have to say, I can understand your disappointment. No flames or slap happy postings from me here.

I have had but one issue with my Car. It was taken care of by my dealer as promptly as possible. I do have to admit, I had to intervene on his behalf to get the requisite parts, but, I consider myself very fortunate to have a top notch dealer and service group with which to deal.

As far as the issues you are having... Push the Warranty Button until they scream. Those could and should be fixed.

The paint thing is something that has been discussed to death on here. A lot of it appears to be from the physical design of the various exterior panels. If viewd under subdued even lighting, from what I have seen, it evens out the overall colors. But that's just my perception, and everyone has a different way at looking at things. It's just my 2 cents.

I wish you all the best on getting the issues you have cited fixed. It really is a good car. (At Least mine is.) This is the third GM vehicle in our family right now. (Grand Prix, Impala, Camaro).

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by Moriartii

Couple comments here.

First to the OP, no you dont have a lemon, you have an attitude born from frustration. When I look at the issue as a third party removed I see very simple fixes to your issues and do not see a lemon.

1. Tail Lamp - QC issue or bad from the supplier, tighten or replace
2. Emblems - debadge the car/remove them - cheesy anyway.
3. Speaker issue - it happens and is frustrating, tighten or replace
4. HVAC - known TSB
5. Tires - sounds like they were not seated on the bead or have improperly installed valve stems. Remount.
6. Steering wheel - Realign
7. Paint - perception issue see already posted thread. Depending on severity, work with customer.
8. Body coming off - I dont understand this? Are you referring to the rocker panel? If so just reseat.
9. Trunk rattle - known TSB.
10. Car rental - customer sat issue

So when I break these down like this you dont have a lemon. You basically have a dealership that has shitty service and are not listening to you when you bring it in. I believe THAT is where your problems lie - the dealership and not the car. Would I be pissed off and frustrated absolutely.

My other comment is to whoever said the comment about first year cars not having issues, seriously come on!!!! Just the nature of the game

Op I wish you luck and hope you find a better dealer.
Cheers
K

Touche.

However, GM will do nothing about those issues if it isn't allowed, at the dealership level, to be escalated, which I think is a crock of s***. The whole idea with GM reorganizing and having government backing was supposed to weed out crappy dealerships that shouldn't be allowed to sell GM vehicles and you'd THINK, that after all the dealerships that were closed down and/or converted to Used Car dealerships, that they would be more humble and change their attitude about customer service. Like I said before, the business success formula/model works like this in sales and service:

Positive Model - 10 Satisfied Customers = +1 Positive Referral

Negative Model - 1 Dissatisfied Customer = 10 Potential Customers Lost

If these dealerships are not making concessions and not offering help in any way, that dealership needs to be closed.

No more shady nonsense and back-room deals. No more pushing dealership responsibility onto customers, especially after the car is sold. I can tell you fron personal experience that Toyota customer service and support is not handled like this, but I just hate their cars. I had to prove to my wife that she was making a bad choice in getting a RAV4 and to wait and test drive an Equinox which she loves (gotta wait for the lease on her Camry to expire). Support what you sell and STFU with the excuses. I can still taste my Cobalt's Front 2 Pirelli tires that burned out after only 8K and D&C did nothing to help me. Glad that place was shut down for good. But I digress....

[The Black Stig]

The paint? not an issue IMHO The camaro Has ALOT of angles its looks different at many. A great example of this is my BMW 135i the black looks really weird at certain angles...

2. Toyota makes good cars however they are all boring the haven't mad a fun car in over 15 years. And if you even think of using the mr2 i will slap you.

3. Nissan's are the ones to avoided they have shitty trans and lots of engine problems and on top of that EXTREMELY SHITTY customer service.

4. The foundation of the zeta platform is extremely solid the suspension and drive train will last for years, It's all the electronic BS you have to worry about IMHO at very least the camaro and any gm car WILL do it is Basic function which is get you to point and to point b.

The issues you have had
1. Tail Lights (Replace)
2. Elembes falling off remove them all , or replace (area could have not have been clean...or to clean)
3.Speakers..... Turn your music down :p or go aftermarket other wise let gm fix it will still happen
4.HVAC. TSB This is one of the few REAL issues
5.Tires This is the dealerships fault they have water in there compressor the reason nitrogen worked was because it contain zero to minimal water in it and the moucles are bigger. I bet that if you had drove it for 30 minutes they would have been fine.
7. Sideskirts... What did you hit? or who's been messing with your ride?

[DangerZL1]

What issues are remaining on the list besides the paint mismatch? I can't see this heading for a lemon law based on what I've read in the posts and understand about the law.

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by The Black Stig

The paint? not an issue IMHO The camaro Has ALOT of angles its looks different at many. A great example of this is my BMW 135i the black looks really weird at certain angles...

2. Toyota makes good cars however they are all boring the haven't mad a fun car in over 15 years. And if you even think of using the mr2 i will slap you.

3. Nissan's are the ones to avoided they have shitty trans and lots of engine problems and on top of that EXTREMELY SHITTY customer service.

4. The foundation of the zeta platform is extremely solid the suspension and drive train will last for years, It's all the electronic BS you have to worry about IMHO at very least the camaro and any gm car WILL do it is Basic function which is get you to point and to point b.

The issues you have had
1. Tail Lights (Replace)
2. Elembes falling off remove them all , or replace (area could have not have been clean...or to clean)
3.Speakers..... Turn your music down :p or go aftermarket other wise let gm fix it will still happen
4.HVAC. TSB This is one of the few REAL issues
5.Tires This is the dealerships fault they have water in there compressor the reason nitrogen worked was because it contain zero to minimal water in it and the moucles are bigger. I bet that if you had drove it for 30 minutes they would have been fine.
7. Sideskirts... What did you hit? or who's been messing with your ride?

You slap my wife...I'll hurt you.

[St33lsinger]

Originally Posted by Moriartii

Couple comments here.

First to the OP, no you dont have a lemon, you have an attitude born from frustration. When I look at the issue as a third party removed I see very simple fixes to your issues and do not see a lemon.

1. Tail Lamp - QC issue or bad from the supplier, tighten or replace
2. Emblems - debadge the car/remove them - cheesy anyway.
3. Speaker issue - it happens and is frustrating, tighten or replace
4. HVAC - known TSB
5. Tires - sounds like they were not seated on the bead or have improperly installed valve stems. Remount.
6. Steering wheel - Realign
7. Paint - perception issue see already posted thread. Depending on severity, work with customer.
8. Body coming off - I dont understand this? Are you referring to the rocker panel? If so just reseat.
9. Trunk rattle - known TSB.
10. Car rental - customer sat issue

So when I break these down like this you dont have a lemon. You basically have a dealership that has shitty service and are not listening to you when you bring it in. I believe THAT is where your problems lie - the dealership and not the car. Would I be pissed off and frustrated absolutely.

My other comment is to whoever said the comment about first year cars not having issues, seriously come on!!!! Just the nature of the game

Op I wish you luck and hope you find a better dealer.
Cheers
K

I agree with this, sounds like the dealer is the place to solve most of these. However, if you have bolts falling off going down the road...
I'd explain to the dealer you want this fixed ASAP

[DS1937]

I've had many new cars over the years, Toyota included. They suck as bad as any of them. I havn't heard of GM or Ford being accused of destroying test results like Toyota has nor have they had to recall 4,000,000 cars to replace gas pedals & floor mats! As far as the paint problem goes on myothercar..... RJT, the only thing that makes sense is a repaint due to damage of some sort. It didn't have to be crashed, it could have been stained, scratched or etched by something. The fact that her friends have a body shop and think the paint looks like hell is enough for me to rule out the angle theories. I would go to another dealer and demand to see a factory rep for starters. Contact GM by phone and explain the problem. If you can't get any satisfaction, then I would sell it and move on to something else. I suspect they will do what is right in the long run!

[DkknightX]

If QC is responsible for the other issues, why is paint such a damn problem with this car?! You'd think that if GM was going to charge paint premiums on some colors, they'd get it right. Victory Red has been out since the Korean War ended. Why is all this paint work shoddy?! Seriously, all this poor paint talk makes me think of the candy shell crap that Maaco sells for $400.00 (full body painting). What gives GM?!

[fdjizm]

That sucks that you have to fix or repair daily bro... i would def. check out the lemon laws in your state and bring that puppy back... instead of going through hell with it.

[coolman]

Originally Posted by 2K05GT

Coolman,
My Wife an I are going this weekend to order our 2010 Ford Taurus SHO, how do you like it? I am apprehensive on buying another Ford but I have had Such good luck with my 2005 Mustang GT (Zero Problems) Good Quality, that I am seriously getting her this car. V6 with 365hp is really good and it get 28 mpg.

I've had a lot of cars and so far it's one of the best ever. NO problems at all yet.
Very well thought out and put together. If all of the fords cars and trucks are like this one ,I don't see how they can't get back on their feet.

[myold88]

Originally Posted by greenrail

Hmmm, Toyotas....

Engine oil sludge problems, frame rusting on Tundras, recent gas pedal revelations, rear tailgates that bend when you sit on them (Tundra again).......

Hardly what I would call a "problem free" record

My Camaro is perfect.
Toyotos are transportation- Camaros are so much more.

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Just a few comments:

#1; It's the first model-year of a new car. Problems are expected. It's when those problems persist for multiple years that the car gets crucified. Every hiccup so far, Chevy has recognized and fixed asap.

YES! I 2nd this on junkie. It's not just GM either. The Almighty new ruler of US autos "Ford" built our edge toward the end of the 1st model year (2007). 36K miles later and I believe it may be time for a TRANSMISSION REPLACEMENT!

Recall the mods they did to the 2011 V6 Mustang's Duratec 37? Guess which engine the Edge has..

Yeah. Autothrottle cutoff at decel sensors? Put them in in 2008. Why? It ate our entire transmission like a fat man owning a burger king. Not to mention the fiasco known in our family as "9000 miles and no brakes! O noes!". That being said, it happens. Sometimes a snafu hapens on the supplier side and it only shows up later on down the line.

Heck look at the output shaft thing. Bad batch out of mexico. I wouldn't worry, and be extremely grateful that GM isn't shafting you like certain asian companies on warranty work. They're working on improving customer service.. and when it's all said and done.. take the guys out for a beer after going over the car.

I did it when I had my rear end torn apart on the truck. Bought the boys a few cases.. which didn't go over well with the manager but hey. They saved my bum and got me back on the road. So even though Sh!t happens with these cars 1st year, it's not the end of the world man.

Keep a chin up, and keep driving that car like theres no tomorrow. And once 5 years hits; drop a Maggie on the top end and a retune from SLP. Make a cheapo 575. BY then you'd probably have gone over the car so much that you'd be able to do it in a weekend.

[Lauryn200]

Toyota...........

Well between their accelarator or mat sticking the gas pedal down problems...
They might not be the best one to compare...maybe Honda?