Mustangs................

[mjlash22]

Originally Posted by Mhoward08

Since the new mustang will weigh just about as much as the camaro now with all the things their adding on. The 24 hp and 40 ft of torque loss will surely hurt the mustang. Can only wonder what the price of the new gt will be ....

[Jinx]

I dont care about sales. What can it do against the other. Its a Versus forum, not an annual sales forum. If it was the Honda Civic would be the most badass car in the U.S. for 2008. Which is not the case.

Back to the speculation and comparison to like models.

[Mhoward08]

I'm serious! Their adding so many things to the new mustangs i hope they can keep the price down otherwise there won't be so many to have fun with on the streets :(

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Question do you think that everyone who posts a good time runs back to the internet and posts about it? Heck I moderate the dragracing section but I dont post my times on there, thats just not my style...but the cat will be out of the bag come fest time...Like I said come to the fest and i will bet good money that you will see atleast 7 Bonestock camaro's turn sub 13sec runs in the 1/4...Not trying to get into a pissing match, but I know what I know and stand by it...if you want to see it show up..inspect the cars yourself...otherwise back to the internet banter

QFT, I witnessed a guy in a bone stock L99 run a 12.9 and the car wasn't even broken in yet. The Camaro is a 12.7-12.8 car, that's facts. Now we wait and see what the GT runs.

[TommyTSquared]

Price was actually got me interested in the camaro vs the mustang...

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

QFT, I witnessed a guy in a bone stock L99 run a 12.9 and the car wasn't even broken in yet. The Camaro is a 12.7-12.8 car, that's facts. Now we wait and see what the GT runs.

The SS has a ton of speed in it. You can take the same car and one driver can get a 13.7 and another can get a 12.7....same car different drivers..

[Romeloc]

tru.

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by 2K05GT

There ya Go bringing up the "F" word again.... I am so Pissed Pontiac folded, I would KILL for a 2011 TRANS-AM Firebird.. My God thats my all time Favorite Car ever.. I love the Firebird / Trans-am. My First car was a 1971 Pontiac Trans-Am 455 HO White with Blue Strips. I miss her.. If I had Money I would buy every Gen Firebird..

I hope a Trans-Am Body Kit becomes avalable for the Camaro, I would do it.

Sorry. Its tough for me to say but Im happy I still drive a Firebird!

Originally Posted by a_Username

Anyone have the company vs. company numbers from those years?

I USED to have a spreadsheet with all the info but it has sense been destroyed. There are websites that have the numbers but Im having a hard time finding them.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Jinx

I need to see it more than once to believe it. And if it can Ill eat crow. I still measure a car by an average time.

Ergonomics, launch consistancy via consistant mechanicals, and normal conditions.

If that guy can do 12.6 ten times out of twenty, then I could see it. But I would consider it a mid to high 12 sec car if we had many people do the same thing. As much as I hate to say it, magazines usually have consistant times between one another and generally unbiased efforts and have been reflected by average joes on many forums it seems. Im dont look for the holy grail to hold up as a testiment to what my car can do. Try to think of a science project, the result is not acceptable or creditable unless its repeated with the same result time after time.

I know there is no way in hell that I could ever get a 12.6 out of it. However, that one guy did and that showed the Camaro's capabilities. Your whole post just described the driver's skill level again.

[ULTRAZLS1]

fdj...I have never bashed the solid rear axle....I dont mind it at all. I just wish you could have best of both worlds. But when it comes to which car I would prefer the rear axle isnt enough to sway me...I would actually probably prefer an SRA. But I have just never been impressed with the NA performance of the ohc ford motors. Not to mention the ease of a cam swap. THe simplicity of the motor, the smaller size of the motor....the list goes on and on.

And as far as the pushrod technology argument. Isnt the ohc design older than the pushrod design? either way I could care less.

What do the super fast cars on the strip use? pushrod? Now im not saying no fast cars are ohc so I dont need to see a bunch of links to fast ohc cars. But what do most cars in the 4-5-6 second range use? which is faster ultimately? I am not positive so dont quote me...I am asking a question...but i am thinking it is pushrod.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Its hard for me to believe a guy ran 12.6 when the manufacture of the product could only muster 13.1. Its also hard to believe when the person IN the video says, how much spray he added, and you hear a guy telling him to be quiet. Its also hard to believe that out of ALL the Camaro drivers and owners, NOT ONE person drives good enough to match this ONE TIME ET.

Man this guy must be the best driver on the planet. He should be racing in the NRA's, he would win every year.

Dude, give it up. LateModel Racecraft was working on that guy's car and can easily verify that he didn't have nitrous hooked up. Seems to be a pretty simple solution that you keep avoiding. Beyond that, go check the dragstrip section and see people with minimal mods getting into the mid-twelves (e.g. Pave1 got 12.6 with just a tune on a L99, a guy with a tune, headers and CAI hit 12.2 in his L99).

Also, they're talking about the 12.6 that was run by NHRAStocker with only an air and oil filter swap and an oil change (royal purple). He did it multiple times in fact, so it wasn't some fluke that can never be repeated.

EDIT: Also, the guy with the CAI and tune from LMR also ran 12.6 and 12.5, so he did replicate it.

[Jinx]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I know there is no way in hell that I could ever get a 12.6 out of it. However, that one guy did and that showed the Camaro's capabilities. Your whole post just described the driver's skill level again.

Well thats just it, how could I expect a car to perform at a level if on average it doesnt? If a car has a huge "driver's hurtle", then I would rather have my money on the car that has similar "performance capabilities" but without that hurtle. Its looks right now that the 2011 Mustang GT with a solid rear axle is that car, in my eyes.

The P.Jones was quoted at 12.9 and so was the 2010 Camaro by GM. That 12.9-13.0 seems to be the realistic interpretation of real world events.

[Super83Z]

I want to know the potential of the car, not the monkey behind the wheel.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by Jinx

Well thats just it, how could I expect a car to perform at a level if on average it doesnt? If a car has a huge "driver's hurtle", then I would rather have my money on the car that has similar "performance capabilities" but without that hurtle. Its looks right now that the 2011 Mustang GT with a solid rear axle is that car, in my eyes.

The car performs...its the driver that doesnt. Guess folks need to work on not being an average driver before they go trying to race someone on the track. If you see that a car can turn a great time stock that is way quicker than what you are capable of...that seems like enough motivation to learn how to drive it better....thats just my opinion. Thats like you turning a 14 sec 1/4 mile in your car then you let your buddy takes a pass in your car and he runs a 13sec 1/4...wouldnt you try and better yourself especially since its your car? I mean you know you car can do it..you just cant..but your buddy could? After that if someone asked you how fast your car was would you say its a 14sec car or a 13 sec car?