Mustangs................

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Fan 1= LS3 equipped Camaro
Fan 2= 4.6L equipped Mustang

YEAH I SAID IT.

lmao

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by a_Username

In the 1/4 mile and road courses, the Camaro showed its superiority over the 2010 GT. The only thing I don't like about comparing a Track Pack equipped Mustang to a base Camaro is the track pack does exactly what its name implies. It tunes and tweaks the suspension to deal with the difficulty of track racing, while the Camaro has to race on these tracks with a suspension that is suited to daily driving.

are you officially saying that officially the camaro ss is an underachiever? even with it's "ring" tuned suspension?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

are you officially saying that officially the camaro ss is an underachiever? even with it's "ring" tuned suspension?

No. The Mustang had a huge advantage going around road courses due to the fact the suspension was tuned to handle it, while the Camaro's (I think) is more situated towards daily driving. And if that makes the SS an underachiever, then IDK what that makes a 2010 GT.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

but really stick to stock... mods open up a can of worms you can one up eachother for ever. best to compare factory.

QFT.
Might I throw in to only compare cars in similar price ranges? (i.e. SSvsGT500)

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

So who would win.... a ZR1 or a a mini cooper?

That's like saying who would win a fight... Brock Lesnar or a midget?

[BowtieGuy]

Well according to Motor Trend, Miata pwns ZR-1

[Jinx]

Ok, I have heard people discuss the weight gain. So he is a spin....

MT82 (2011 Mustang GT M6)- 116.84 lbs. (dry weight)

TR3650 (2010 Mustang GT M5)- 120 lbs. (not specified oiled or dry)

No weight gain from Transmission.

4.6L 3v (2010 Mustang GT)- 420 lbs.

4.6L 4v (2001 Mustang Cobra) - 425 lbs.

I found hard to believe but 5 lbs is the difference in the two. A iron block 2v weighs 500 lbs. just to put that into view.

To be nice, and put the mustang side of the discussion with an arm behind there back, lets say the all new 5.0 weighs in at 500 lbs.

So that would add 80 lbs to the 2010's current weight.

Ok, as for suspension lets say track pack is standard and its weight with it to handle that power. That adds 40 extra lbs.

I heard Brembos are in the mix too, so lets replace the 2010 stockers with some 2010 brembos. 20 lbs difference? Ok.

80, 40, 20,...........140. To be extra nice, lets just call it 150lbs.

150lbs added to the current 3534 lbs of a Mustang GT Premium, is.....

...3684 lbs.

Compared to the LS3 Camaro 1SS's curb weight of 3860 lbs. (not even a 2SS, mind you the a GT premium has the like options of a 2SS)

Thats a 176 pound difference.


Using this speculation:

Hp to Weight ratio are this:

Camaro SS = 1:8.9
Mustang GT = 1 : 8.9

Dead even.


For **** and giggles, Tq to Weight ratio:

Camaro SS = 1:9.8
Mustang GT = 1:9.4

Almost even. If such a thing. lol. Obvious the Mustang is lighter

Althought very unaccurate, but since I have the numbers punched up why not just plug it into the 1/4 mile calulator:

Camaro SS = 12.71
Mustang GT = 12.71

Well then. It looks like Ford likes to be dead even......even taking the leather seats, Sync, and etc along for the ride. Keep in mind that was a Premium GT, not a bare bones GT.

Internet speculation is fun.

I know the next factor to be brought up is torque. So the ratio numbers are useless, unless just to show how much effort is being weight is being pulled by every foot/pound

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Well according to Motor Trend, Miata pwns ZR-1

You have to give credit to the Miata, it did basically revive the two seater roadster. However, the ZR1 is arguably the best performance car for the money.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Jinx

Ok, I have heard people discuss the weight gain. So he is a spin....

MT82 (2011 Mustang GT M6)- 116.84 lbs. (dry weight)

TR3650 (2010 Mustang GT M5)- 120 lbs. (not specified oiled or dry)

No weight gain from Transmission.

4.6L 3v (2010 Mustang GT)- 420 lbs.

4.6L 4v (2001 Mustang Cobra) - 425 lbs.

I found hard to believe but 5 lbs is the difference in the two. A iron block 2v weighs 500 lbs. just to put that into view.

To be nice, and put the mustang side of the discussion with an arm behind there back, lets say the all new 5.0 weighs in at 500 lbs.

So that would add 80 lbs to the 2010's current weight.

Ok, as for suspension lets say track pack is standard and its weight with it to handle that power. That adds 40 extra lbs.

I heard Brembos are in the mix too, so lets replace the 2010 stockers with some 2010 brembos. 20 lbs difference? Ok.

80, 40, 20,...........140. To be extra nice, lets just call it 150lbs.

150lbs added to the current 3534 lbs of a Mustang GT Premium, is.....

...3684 lbs.

Compared to the LS3 Camaro 1SS's curb weight of 3860 lbs. (not even a 2SS, mind you the a GT premium has the like options of a 2SS)

Thats a 176 pound difference.

I believe the suspension is going to have to be strengthened quite a bit for it to hold an extra 100 horses, and have the results proportionate to the 2010 GT's.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by Jinx

Thats a 176 pound difference.

I'm honestly asking, because I haven't been keeping up for awhile, but I seem to remember that the 2010 and previous Mustangs didn't meet 2012 safety regulations (as the Camaro and Challenger already do). Is that still true, and if so any ideas on how much more that is?

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

I love all this hype about the new mustang. Why don't we just see what happens and the truth of it when it comes out, instead of speculating?

If it comes out and is faster than the camaro, that's fine... It will just give Chevy a reason to make our camaro's even more superior to your mustangs....

Just look at it right now.. Your 2010 GTs have 315 horsepower, while our SS have 400-426hp. So you can come out with a GT that has 416hp, that's cool, but then who's to say we won't come out with a Camaro with 500hp?

Do you remember the hype of the Camaro??

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by bballr4567

Do you remember the hype of the Camaro??

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by meanmike

Wrong! It's still a Mustang.

Sure as hell doesn't perform like the one. J/K. The Roush 540RH and GT500 >

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I believe the suspension is going to have to be strengthened quite a bit for it to hold an extra 100 horses, and have the results proportionate to the 2010 GT's.

Nothing needs to be changed in the Mustangs suspension to accomodate the newfound power. Both the GT and the GT500 share the same suspension although spring rates and such are different between the two. if they need something stronger for the GT, they can just pull it from the shelf of parts already produced for the Shelby. It's not like they have to re-engineer anything.