The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Milk 1027]

The Camaro spent most of it's testing and pre-pro time in cold weather.

Go back and look at old spy pictures and you will see the camo cars testing in the snow and cold weather.

Yes the Camaro performs well in the snow and cold weather. The summer pirellis don't.


Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. Summer tires are not meant to perform in cold weather. That's what the all-season tires are for.

[ssump29]

[QUOTE=5thGenCamaroChick;1328642]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Google "2010 Camaro" and this forum is one of the first returns. That means that anyone researching the car has easy access to the info about the tires. And as I stated before, IMO not a lot of people are going to want to purchase new tires for a brand new car just so they can drive it in cold weather. To be honest, the tires wasn't one of the things I paid much attention to when buying the car. If I had known then that they were summers (which I really didn't even know existed) I might have made a different choice. Since I live in the south I doubt it, but maybe. Just to clarify, I don't have any problems with the Pirellis in cold weather. One morning after a 3-day freeze I noticed the "marble" effect some others have mentioned, but I just took it easy and all was fine. However, I could see how a northerner with a v-8 might have a bit more trouble.

Ok one thing you fail to realize about 80% of people that buy performance cars don't drive them all year round and have a second car. If you live in Michigan like I do or a cold weather state its pretty much the norm that you don't get a car like this unless you have a winter beater, meaning you aren't driving this thing is bad weather period. At least it holds true when buying pure V8 high horsepower cars.

[5thGenCamaroChick]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Yes the Camaro performs well in the snow and cold weather. The summer pirellis don't.


Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. Summer tires are not meant to perform in cold weather. That's what the all-season tires are for.

Sorry, my point was about the tires, not the car itself. I guess I need to go back and make my OP clearer on that point.

As I stated before, I think the Pirellis should be their own option and not thrown into the RS package. I don't want to have to buy a set of new tires (or a "beater car") so I can drive in cold weather. New tires adds another $800 - $1000 (guesstimate) to the price of a brand new car. Point being, some would count that as a mark against the Camaro in favor of the Mustang, which, from the video, obviously doesn't have that problem. Again, I don't have to change my tires because of where I live, but I don't want to worry if it's been really cold for a couple of days that I have reduced traction.
[QUOTE=ssump29;1328873]

Originally Posted by 5thGenCamaroChick

Ok one thing you fail to realize about 80% of people that buy performance cars don't drive them all year round and have a second car.
If you live in Michigan like I do or a cold weather state its pretty much the norm that you don't get a car like this unless you have a winter beater, meaning you aren't driving this thing is bad weather period. At least it holds true when buying pure V8 high horsepower cars.

I think 80% is a high estimate considering the majority of the country doesn't have as much severe weather as the extreme north. Therefore we can drive our muscle cars year-round. Where I'm from having a "beater" isn't a necessity, it's a luxury. Yes, we have some freezes, but they usually don't last more than a couple of days and don't occur more than a handful of times per yr.

[5thGenCamaroChick]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Its in Michigan in December..were you hoping for blue skies and 80 degrees? They filmed it in the best conditions available at the time, and thats what they got.

So there's snow on the ground in Michigan everyday in the winter? Cool. I live in SE Tn, we have a lot of cold, clear days with blue skies and dry roads. The snow in the video is probably just a coinkidink, but surely I won't be the only person who notices how well the tires hugged those wet, cold roads. Pirellis probably wouldn't have faired so well.

[meanmike]

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[Captain Awesome]

[QUOTE=5thGenCamaroChick;1329113]Sorry, my point was about the tires, not the car itself. I guess I need to go back and make my OP clearer on that point.

As I stated before, I think the Pirellis should be their own option and not thrown into the RS package. I don't want to have to buy a set of new tires (or a "beater car") so I can drive in cold weather. New tires adds another $800 - $1000 (guesstimate) to the price of a brand new car. Point being, some would count that as a mark against the Camaro in favor of the Mustang, which, from the video, obviously doesn't have that problem. Again, I don't have to change my tires because of where I live, but I don't want to worry if it's been really cold for a couple of days that I have reduced traction.

Originally Posted by ssump29

I think 80% is a high estimate considering the majority of the country doesn't have as much severe weather as the extreme north. Therefore we can drive our muscle cars year-round. Where I'm from having a "beater" isn't a necessity, it's a luxury. Yes, we have some freezes, but they usually don't last more than a couple of days and don't occur more than a handful of times per yr.

If you live where it doesn't snow 99.9% of the time and you think "Black Ice" is some kind of cyberpunk hacker tool, then the summer tires are fine for you.

They get stiff and hard in the cold and you can't race around like a madman/woman but the car will still drive and you are not going to harm them. In fact, if you drive them in the cool weather they will last longer (not wear out so fast).

The 'summer' designation really means they are not designed for ice and snow traction, more than any other reason.

[Captain Vlad]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Ok one thing you fail to realize about 80% of people that buy performance cars don't drive them all year round and have a second car.

Are we talking about pony cars when you quote this figure? Cuz I can say with a pretty decent degree of conviction that most Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, etc, and other such where we live are on the road year 'round, ever day.

I could see the 80 percent thing if we were talking about a Ferrari or something. I'd bet the larger share of Camaros see action most days.

5thGenCamaroChick: It's winter, I doubt it was a ploy. Even if it was, those of us who live where a white Christmas is a rarity might not notice, as Captain Awesome's estimate of summer tires in winter in such locations seems quite correct. We haven't had a single tire issue here in OK.

[KatarHol]

Do you think that because the Mustang in the video has,in fact,4 tires,that Ford is trying to say that it's somehow better than the Camaro? I won't stand for this,what a bunch of jerks,i say we email Ford and tell them that their ploy won't work on the liberal media.

[Apex Paul]

Originally Posted by Captain Vlad

Are we talking about pony cars when you quote this figure? Cuz I can say with a pretty decent degree of conviction that most Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, etc, and other such where we live are on the road year 'round, ever day.

I could see the 80 percent thing if we were talking about a Ferrari or something. I'd bet the larger share of Camaros see action most days.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. a quick (and really nerdy) calculation of 1,139 2002 model year camaros for sale on cars.com gave an average mileage around 97,000. That doesn't sound like they were sitting in the garage since 2002. Only 22% had less than 50,000 miles and less than 2% had less than 10,000.

I know some people shriek when they see/hear of someone driving their new Camaro on salt covered roads and in the snow, but it's common around here.

[ssump29]

[QUOTE=5thGenCamaroChick;1329113]Sorry, my point was about the tires, not the car itself. I guess I need to go back and make my OP clearer on that point.

As I stated before, I think the Pirellis should be their own option and not thrown into the RS package. I don't want to have to buy a set of new tires (or a "beater car") so I can drive in cold weather. New tires adds another $800 - $1000 (guesstimate) to the price of a brand new car. Point being, some would count that as a mark against the Camaro in favor of the Mustang, which, from the video, obviously doesn't have that problem. Again, I don't have to change my tires because of where I live, but I don't want to worry if it's been really cold for a couple of days that I have reduced traction.

Originally Posted by ssump29

I think 80% is a high estimate considering the majority of the country doesn't have as much severe weather as the extreme north. Therefore we can drive our muscle cars year-round. Where I'm from having a "beater" isn't a necessity, it's a luxury. Yes, we have some freezes, but they usually don't last more than a couple of days and don't occur more than a handful of times per yr.

Originally Posted by Captain Vlad

Are we talking about pony cars when you quote this figure? Cuz I can say with a pretty decent degree of conviction that most Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, etc, and other such where we live are on the road year 'round, ever day.

I could see the 80 percent thing if we were talking about a Ferrari or something. I'd bet the larger share of Camaros see action most days.

5thGenCamaroChick: It's winter, I doubt it was a ploy. Even if it was, those of us who live where a white Christmas is a rarity might not notice, as Captain Awesome's estimate of summer tires in winter in such locations seems quite correct. We haven't had a single tire issue here in OK.

No to both of you I'm talking PERFORMANCE cars not just pony or muscle cars. And 5th gen you must remember the 20inches are a option to the V6 people not so much to the SS crowd. SS comes standard with that tire, and once again most buyers of performance cars lets say mustang GTs, SS's and SRT8 WILL gargage them for the winter. Yes you will see mustangs and camaros in the winter but chances are they are the V6 models which has a lot less power and equipped better to be an all year car. And don't give me the crap that the V6 has 304 hp because its the same engine used in the CTS and thats a year round car, the V6 is very tamed and more equipped to deal with year round driving. Thats why the V6 models sell better.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

Do you think that because the Mustang in the video has,in fact,4 tires,that Ford is trying to say that it's somehow better than the Camaro? I won't stand for this,what a bunch of jerks,i say we email Ford and tell them that their ploy won't work on the liberal media.

You're kidding me right?

please stop trolling and just leave the forum. The conversation has nothing to do with this.

[5thGenCamaroChick]

Just curious, anybody know of other "average joe" vehicles sold stock with summer tires?

[DropTheGloves]

I think others are putting way too much into this video.

[Captain Vlad]

Originally Posted by ssump29

SS comes standard with that tire, and once again most buyers of performance cars lets say mustang GTs, SS's and SRT8 WILL garage them for the winter.

There are more Mustang GTs where we live than you could shake a stick at, and there's a decent number of Camaro SS (including ours) and Challengers. Not one seems to be hiding for the winter.

Since our climate is more typical of most of the United States, I find your '80 percent' claim to be highly unlikely. In Michigan, Canada, etc, perhaps you are correct, but not for the rest of the country.

Yes you will see mustangs and camaros in the winter but chances are they are the V6 models which has a lot less power and equipped better to be an all year car.

The only thing the V6's have over the SS so far as 'every day' is concerned is gas mileage, the ability to use 87 octane without worrying about the fuse pull, and the tires.

Since the V8 gets better gas mileage than most light trucks, to those of us in truck country, you can scratch that factor off that list.

So what exactly makes the SS so much less of a 'daily driver'? It certainly doesn't seem to be effecting the large number of people who, you know, drive them daily.

And don't give me the crap that the V6 has 304 hp because its the same engine used in the CTS and thats a year round car, the V6 is very tamed and more equipped to deal with year round driving. Thats why the V6 models sell better.

For the Camaro they haven't been. They probably will eventually, but the real reason, if you ask me, is price, not 'suitability for everyday use'.

These are great cars, but they're not Ferraris. They're priced and easily utilized for everyday driving activity. They're just sportier and more fun.