Spark Plugs

[flyby]

So what you are saying that two guys on TV who do not have an item sponsored that they are testing are untrustworthy?

[Reddy2Ride]

What was interesting in the Feb. '10 Super Chevy article on the '10 Camaro mods was thier use of Performance Distributors' Mini-VIP voltage step-up regulator to add more juice to the plugs (run wider plug gaps to richen your fuel mixture for more power). They achieved 8rwhp and 6 ft-lbs of torque on top of all thier other mods.

[Strokedhog]

We have to admit that this site is great for feedback on many things associated with performance for the cars. I have based almost every aftermarket purchase with the exception of the skip shift eliminator on comments from Camaro5. Could we all imagine if we did this by our own trial and error, could buy another car. So with that said I will leave well enough alone with the plugs and buy a tank of fuel, when spring time arrives.

[axis]

Originally Posted by flyby

First of all from your response it is obvious that you have never researched the E-3 claims. The reason I say this is that on the dyno the horsepower guys did two separate runs. First with stock spark plugs (NGK's I believe) did several runs then switched to E-3's, did a few runs and then showed a comparison. These are facts. Plus I have seen real world results from the Camaro. I definitely feel a greater amount of horsepower, not necessarily how much more, and reduced fuel consumption. Again this is a fact. I am not gullable. I do research, check out what other people say, then try for myself. I would say that you are either cynical or have an axe to grind or a dog in the fight. I try to approach decisions, like what plugs to use, with an open mind and no preconcieved ideas then go where the facts take me. My conclusion from the research I have done with spark plugs has led me to choose E-3's. Try doing a little research of your own instead of bolstering your position by slighting people you do not know.

Where did I slight you?
How did you confirm you make more HP?
How did you confirm you get better gas mileage?

I don't need to research them, as companies have been trying to sell gimmicky spark plugs for YEARS. They all claim the same thing and all show their results on TV and advertisements but in independent studies, they ALWAYS prove to be no better than decent spark plugs. Since you've EXTENSIVELY researched them, please tell us how they get more power over the OEM spark plugs. If they do in fact make more HP, i'm sure everyone would like to get a set.

As ted mentioned, the only place i've seen a HP increase was in turbo applications and that was from moving to a colder heat range.

Originally Posted by flyby

So what you are saying that two guys on TV who do not have an item sponsored that they are testing are untrustworthy?

So you think just because they don't make anything, they are neutral? What happens if they have no sponsors? Um, NO SHOW, NO $$, time to find a new job? Hmm, seems like they have do have a dog in the fight. It's called their JOB.

[flyby]

Last response because most of you seem to have preconceived notions and agendas. You also appear to not have tried the products (experimentation) to see how they stack up against their claims (evaluation) to see if they deliver or not (conclusion). When I recieved my car it had the stock plugs. I heard that it may be possible to get horsepower gain from simply using a different style of spark plug. Since the basic spark plug design has been the same for many decades which can not be refuted, I decided to experiment. I had driven my car at that point for about one month. I removed the stock plugs and reinstalled new/different style ones. I drove the car for about three months and say about a 5% oncrease in gas mileage which has now increased to between six and seven%. This is verified in my gas/maintenance log. No I did not dyno my car before and after but the car immediately seemed to have more power. Last month I installed the diablosport trinity performance tune. When I finished I also noted more horsepower. But that was not dynoed either. My zero to sixty times have decreased both times and the car seemed faster both times. My conclusion from the experiment is a positive one this time. I verified a mileage gain and felt that the car was more powerful. Do not believe me, I do not care. But the difference between you and me is that I approach a situation with an open mind, finding my own proof, not with cynicism.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by flyby

Last response because most of you seem to have preconceived notions and agendas. You also appear to not have tried the products (experimentation) to see how they stack up against their claims (evaluation) to see if they deliver or not (conclusion). When I recieved my car it had the stock plugs. I heard that it may be possible to get horsepower gain from simply using a different style of spark plug. Since the basic spark plug design has been the same for many decades which can not be refuted, I decided to experiment. I had driven my car at that point for about one month. I removed the stock plugs and reinstalled new/different style ones. I drove the car for about three months and say about a 5% oncrease in gas mileage which has now increased to between six and seven%. This is verified in my gas/maintenance log. No I did not dyno my car before and after but the car immediately seemed to have more power. Last month I installed the diablosport trinity performance tune. When I finished I also noted more horsepower. But that was not dynoed either. My zero to sixty times have decreased both times and the car seemed faster both times. My conclusion from the experiment is a positive one this time. I verified a mileage gain and felt that the car was more powerful. Do not believe me, I do not care. But the difference between you and me is that I approach a situation with an open mind, finding my own proof, not with cynicism.

All you have proved is Simple Breakin, every car is sluggish when brand new and gets better with Miles.

My only Agenda is Finding the Truth!

[flyby]

If your only agenda was truth you would check it out for yourself since you have all the tools necessary. Engine is well broken in and was so when spark plugs were changed. If it is so hard to accept the results of others check it out for yourself. You seeem to be motivated by truth, yet you have never experimented with these plugs and are still willing to tell people not to try them. Does not seem to truthful to me. Just saying.

[axis]

Originally Posted by flyby

If your only agenda was truth you would check it out for yourself since you have all the tools necessary. Engine is well broken in and was so when spark plugs were changed. If it is so hard to accept the results of others check it out for yourself. You seeem to be motivated by truth, yet you have never experimented with these plugs and are still willing to tell people not to try them. Does not seem to truthful to me. Just saying.

Seeing that you get the vast majority of your info from HP TV doesn't lend any credibility to your claims. They are WELL KNOWN for being biased to whoever is flipping the bill for the show. As long as you're happy, that's all that matters. If we're skeptical, it's because we have seen these types of things come around for YEARS. We've seen the likes of V groove, platinum, Split fire, etc and NONE of them make more HP. The platinum ones do tend to last longer though. The split fires were the diamond fires of their day. LOTS of testimonials about how they were sooo much better than anything else on the market and the price reflected it. Guess what, they were total BS. It's been proven time and time again that you won't get a bigger or more spark arcs using them. Physics is funny that way. It doesn't care about who pays the bills or what claims are made. Being in the HP business like Ted is, if there's a advantage to be gained from a special spark plug or any fuel and oil additive, it will be WELL publicized and every HP shop in the country would be selling them. Jegs and JCW sell them cause they will sell anything that might make a profit. That doesn't lend credibility to their claims though. In the end, it's your personal preference that makes you happy. You seem to be 100% convinced that they work and that's your decision. Those of us that have been around long enough to know how these things make their claims, we'll still buy our cheap NGK plugs and see ya at the end of the track.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by axis

Seeing that you get the vast majority of your info from HP TV doesn't lend any credibility to your claims. They are WELL KNOWN for being biased to whoever is flipping the bill for the show. As long as you're happy, that's all that matters. If we're skeptical, it's because we have seen these types of things come around for YEARS. We've seen the likes of V groove, platinum, Split fire, etc and NONE of them make more HP. The platinum ones do tend to last longer though. The split fires were the diamond fires of their day. LOTS of testimonials about how they were sooo much better than anything else on the market and the price reflected it. Guess what, they were total BS. It's been proven time and time again that you won't get a bigger or more spark arcs using them. Physics is funny that way. It doesn't care about who pays the bills or what claims are made. Being in the HP business like Ted is, if there's a advantage to be gained from a special spark plug or any fuel and oil additive, it will be WELL publicized and every HP shop in the country would be selling them. Jegs and JCW sell them cause they will sell anything that might make a profit. That doesn't lend credibility to their claims though. In the end, it's your personal preference that makes you happy. You seem to be 100% convinced that they work and that's your decision. Those of us that have been around long enough to know how these things make their claims, we'll still buy our cheap NGK plugs and see ya at the end of the track.

I couldn't have said it better

[Slowhawk]

Most plugs are the same.I could see loosing hp with the wrong plug.I prefer the NGK plugs over stock.They seem to have less spark knock with them.