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2010_5thgen · 09-21-2008, 06:47 PM

did he say if you will be able to buy the ground effects kit and not get the big spoiler? or does the big spoiler come with it? i want the ground effects and the blade apoiler. i think that would look slick!

headpunter · 09-21-2008, 07:44 PM

no the body kit and the spoilers are all seperate options

*The_Blur* · 09-21-2008, 07:49 PM

I'm glad that you asked about the ground effects kit. Without improving the aerodynamics substantially, it makes the extra weight actually hurt performance. Performance-oriented enthusiasts won't make that mistake, instead spending their resources on parts that actually make the car faster.

EllwynX · 09-21-2008, 08:01 PM

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Perfect. I like the looks of the blade spoiler and if it improves aero nicely, done deal. Does the GFX package include a chin spoiler? I like the look of it but I'm worried about ground clearance.

It looks like the V6 model's front end has a chin spoiler with the package at least. But without us getting a look at an SS with them we can't be sure. I'm curious myself. The SS's front has more sticking out at the bottom, does this mean it will get an altered front ground effect? Or will it get none in the front if you get the GFX package, just the side skirts and rear diffuser?

I'm hoping for an altered front piece that is split like they were on the '98-'02's.

headpunter · 09-21-2008, 11:06 PM

in aero testing the ground effects kit had little effect on air flow

TJ91 · 09-21-2008, 11:12 PM

does the v6 also make .97?

headpunter · 09-21-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ91

does the v6 also make .97?

no it isnt on the fe3 suspension and it doesnt have summer only tires

kanys · 09-21-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

1. the blade spoiler is alot better then the normal rsv6 and ss spoiler and has been wind tunnel tested.

Awesome, I was unsure whether I wanted this option or not but since it is practical I am definately going to go for it. So when you say "better" does that mean more aerodynamic or what?

fbird777 · 09-22-2008, 12:04 AM

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Awesome, I was unsure whether I wanted this option or not but since it is practical I am definately going to go for it. So when you say "better" does that mean more aerodynamic or what?

I wanted the blade spoiler anyway, this tidbit of info just sealed the deal!

Jamestwilliams · 09-22-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kanys

Awesome, I was unsure whether I wanted this option or not but since it is practical I am definately going to go for it. So when you say "better" does that mean more aerodynamic or what?

Probably less aerodynamic as interupting airflow is what creates downforce, in the case of a spoiler more downforce = better.

2KZ28_For_Now · 09-22-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

4.6 0-60 i recall

also for top gear fans he said they will be working with the show to have jeremy or james drive the car for a review that should air around launch.

Great news about TG. I only hope they dont let James drive it. I mean, "Captain Slow?" Really.

Oh, and now I know I need to talk to you and spike when it comes to advise on performance mods (if you dont mind).

Thanks! Cool post!

Jamestwilliams · 09-22-2008, 12:33 AM

To add to my reply, spoilers are also measured by efficiency. In otherwords they attempt to maximize downforce while minimizing wind resistance or turbulence produced to do so. Some of the god awful wings found on imports produce minimal gains in downforce while producing massive turbulance. A spoiler will always produce more turbulance than a clean deck lid however by working the design in a wind tunnel you can produce good resultant downforce while not sacrificing too much in the way of additional turbulance.

kanys · 09-22-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamestwilliams

To add to my reply, spoilers are also measured by efficiency. In otherwords they attempt to maximize downforce while minimizing wind resistance or turbulence produced to do so. Some of the god awful wings found on imports produce minimal gains in downforce while producing massive turbulance. A spoiler will always produce more turbulance than a clean deck lid however by working the design in a wind tunnel you can produce good resultant downforce while not sacrificing too much in the way of additional turbulance.

Ah ok thanks! I really don't know much about cars hehe so thanks for enlightening me

. So what you are saying is that the blade spoiler significantly increases the downforce without sacraficing much in terms of wind resistance? If that is correct that sounds great to me!

ZeeTwentyFour · 09-22-2008, 04:25 PM

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so today i was lucky enough to talk to al oppenhieser at great length. he had great insight into the car being head engineer.

the most important things i got out of him were

1. the camaro with the fe3 suspension will pull .97g in lateral acceleration on a skid pad. in comparison a porsche 911 turbo does .96....yes thats right a chevy is better from the factory. getting over 1g is a matter of changing to grippier tires. just think what it will do with the pedders bushing set. Al also said he he thought the pedders hard bushings would give it alot more.

2. for all the people wanting to run power adders on the engine and were wondering about the rear end IRS. dont worry. All said they have run 650 WHEEL HORSEPOWER thru it and it was still pristine he figured the stock rear end could handle much more. how much more i guess would be up to you to find out....

i also sat at the same table with John cox the accessories manager for the camaro. He was super great to bounce questions off of.

1. the blade spoiler is alot better then the normal rsv6 and ss spoiler and has been wind tunnel tested.

2. the ground effects kit has little effect on the aerodynamic properties.

3. there will be a hurst short throw shifter option for the car that makes the throws even better then the standard car and will be available with a pistol grip, t-handle or standard hurst ball shift knob.

really when at the moment i am so excited i cannot process all the joy i feel about the car and its capabilities. its just so much more then we could have asked for in this price bracket. its just simply amazing

i will post my pics later but now i have to go to bed since i have to be up in 5 hours to catch my plane.

good night all, Today was an AMAZING DAY for all camaro lovers. this car is so much more then i even dreamed of and we should all be rejoicing.

WOW pistol grip!!! Eat your heart out challenger! and a T handle!! I wasn't expecting that. This car impresses me more and more everyday.

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