M6 Owners and Skip Shift Beware!

[bolteon593]

Originally Posted by liquidfire350

i really wish they just made it from the factory were the skip shift turns off when you turn the TC off

i really wish midgets could fly.... it would be so much more fair.

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

How does one know exactly how close the car behind came to hitting him too? Seems like unless you stopped and asked him how close it was it could have been 3-4 feet and you'd have a hard time knowing (what with all the cries of "poor visibility" out there).

Dude, if you are in tune with your car and your driving senses, you can "feel" everything around your vehicle just as you can feel the engine and transmission in a particular gear letting you know "Hey, it's time to shift!" Under normal conditions, for me, this wouldn't have been a problem but I was mechanically prohibited from doing so by the skip-shift feature. In my Cobalt, no problems going from 1st to 2nd at any speed, below or over 20 miles an hour. In my Camaro, it is a PITA. I couldn't see the driver behind me, his front tires or his headlights because he was THAT close. Isn't that enough for you to get my point across about how potentially dangerous this could have been? Captain Awesome, sometimes you are right on the money with your responses and other times I can't believe you are way off. I like you bro, but I just can't understand how you think sometimes.

[klatterblast]

some people like stupid stuff they brag that there new camaro has this cool dealdo shift thingy where they dont have to shift as much cus it goes from 1st to 4th crap .dammit you paid for 6 gears why not have 6 gears exactly when you want it. we dont want no stinking lazy 2nd and 3rd gear showing up part timethere like let 4th take it this time were busy,lol.

[bolteon593]

Originally Posted by DkknightX

Dude, if you are in tune with your car and your driving senses, you can "feel" everything around your vehicle just as you can feel the engine and transmission in a particular gear letting you know "Hey, it's time to shift!" Under normal conditions, for me, this wouldn't have been a problem but I was mechanically prohibited from doing so by the skip-shift feature. In my Cobalt, no problems going from 1st to 2nd at any speed, below or over 20 miles an hour. In my Camaro, it is a PITA. I couldn't see the driver behind me, his front tires or his headlights because he was THAT close. Isn't that enough for you to get my point across about how potentially dangerous this could have been? Captain Awesome, sometimes you are right on the money with your responses and other times I can't believe you are way off. I like you bro, but I just can't understand how you think sometimes.

still doesn't explain how on a "greater then 45 degrees" hill (do you know what a real 45deg incline is like? very hard to get approved by municipal...) you thought it was a good idea to try and shift into second...


no offense but it reads like you came here to cry about your wife chewing you out after what was more then likely user error... not GM installing a "potentially hazardous" feature into our cars.

[CWI]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

If I recall correctly, first gear is good enough to get you to 81MPH at full throttle, so if you are shifting BEFORE 20MPH where the system is cancelled then you're not even getting to 1/4 throttle in first gear.!

WTF? Actually the rev limiter shuts it down below 60 mph in 1st.

Originally Posted by bolteon593

still doesn't explain how on a "greater then 45 degrees" hill (do you know what a real 45deg incline is like? very hard to get approved by municipal...) you thought it was a good idea to try and shift into second....

I have easily driven 2 million miles in my life in 45 states and 3 continents, and don't recall many 45+ degree hills. That seems a bit of a stretch. Are you aware that the steepest grade allowed by law on the Interstate system is 6%? 6 feet of rise in 100 feet. 45 degrees would be 100 foot rise in 100 feet, a 100% grade. Should stay in 1st by all means at that grade.

Just get the eliminator and forget it.

[CPanther95]

Originally Posted by bolteon593

no offense but it reads like you came here to cry about your wife chewing you out after what was more then likely user error... not GM installing a "potentially hazardous" feature into our cars.

The scenario doesn't really matter does it? Even most that say it's no problem at all have still had it come up at least a couple times - and even 1 time is "potentially dangerous". In fact, if it rarely happens, it's even more likely to cause a delay out of gear because your initial instinct is that it's just not going into gear.

You can argue whether or not it is worth bypassing to you - but there is no case to be made that the car is more safe by leaving it active.

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by MadMav

Surprised that nobody caught it, but the above circled solenoid is not the CAGS. The CAGS is the other silver one to the left of the one circled.

Mav

good catch... that is not it!

Originally Posted by camaro5

With OBDII systems, the computer is checking to make sure the solenoid is not in an open circuit mode.




If the solenoid coil fails, the computer sees it and turns on the check engine light.

The eliminator kit, includes a resistor to fool the computer into thinking the solenoid is still there, and connected.


As far as doing it on ramps, I bought a great set just for this reason from Amazon.com.

So my hunch that I had a faulty eliminator was probably correct. I never had the issue on my C5 or on the Camaro. Only the C6 (three different SSE plugs).

I gave it to the guy who bought the car... maybe he installed it, maybe not but I removed prior to selling it to avoid the CEL. I am going to go out on a limb and say anyone looking at a 2007 Corvette with 15K miles and a CEL on would run!

[tlc9193]

Just give it a little more RPM's and shift into 3rd instead of 2nd and you can avoid the whiplash and still have the tourque needed to climb the hill.

[Merc]

Ebay! Less then $20. Problem solved!

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by DkknightX

Dude, if you are in tune with your car and your driving senses, you can "feel" everything around your vehicle just as you can feel the engine and transmission in a particular gear letting you know "Hey, it's time to shift!" Under normal conditions, for me, this wouldn't have been a problem but I was mechanically prohibited from doing so by the skip-shift feature. In my Cobalt, no problems going from 1st to 2nd at any speed, below or over 20 miles an hour. In my Camaro, it is a PITA. I couldn't see the driver behind me, his front tires or his headlights because he was THAT close. Isn't that enough for you to get my point across about how potentially dangerous this could have been? Captain Awesome, sometimes you are right on the money with your responses and other times I can't believe you are way off. I like you bro, but I just can't understand how you think sometimes.

If the guy behind you was that close and he hit you then it would be his fault for tailgating.

I fail to see how your "potentially dangerous" mistake is GM's fault.

1) You shouldn't be shifting on that steep of an incline.
2) You should be "in tune" with your car and "feel" the fact it has this feature and not put lives in property in jeopardy by failing to be familiar with your transmission.
3) You should have the presence of mind to pick another gear if you are having trouble with one gear. What if your transmission failed while you were driving and you couldn't shift into 4th? Would you spend 5 seconds jamming and hammering on the shift knob trying to force it in until you came to a stop? If you accidentally encounter skip-shift then it takes 0.1 seconds to put it BACK in 1st or move to 3rd.

I swear many of these posts are "haters" trying to find fault with the car by making up incredibly silly "problems".

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by bolteon593

still doesn't explain how on a "greater then 45 degrees" hill (do you know what a real 45deg incline is like? very hard to get approved by municipal...) you thought it was a good idea to try and shift into second...


no offense but it reads like you came here to cry about your wife chewing you out after what was more then likely user error... not GM installing a "potentially hazardous" feature into our cars.

Great, so now you are going to say that my wife would have no case here if it happened to her while she was driving under the same exact conditions. My wife doesn't complain unless it is SERIOUSLY warranted. The situation made her feel unsafe, so I'm here alerting everybody of the POTENTIAL hazard that skip shift could exist if the conditions were met. Personal attacks would be irrelevant if it was your car among the several here having trouble locating parts to have their car fixed.

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

If the guy behind you was that close and he hit you then it would be his fault for tailgating.

I fail to see how your "potentially dangerous" mistake is GM's fault.

1) You shouldn't be shifting on that steep of an incline.
2) You should be "in tune" with your car and "feel" the fact it has this feature and not put lives in property in jeopardy by failing to be familiar with your transmission.
3) You should have the presence of mind to pick another gear if you are having trouble with one gear. What if your transmission failed while you were driving and you couldn't shift into 4th? Would you spend 5 seconds jamming and hammering on the shift knob trying to force it in until you came to a stop? If you accidentally encounter skip-shift then it takes 0.1 seconds to put it BACK in 1st or move to 3rd.

The skip shift feature is a feature "added" to the transmission and is not a native feature. It is an aberration, an annoyance, and CAN be potentially dangerous. Are you monitoring all three conditions that have to be met the split second before you change shifts from 1st to 2nd so you can anticipate the skip shift feature being enabled? That's what I thought.

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

I swear many of these posts are "haters" trying to find fault with the car by making up incredibly silly "problems".

I'm not hating and looking for reasons to find fault with the car. It is constructive criticism and being observant. Even after all of the testing this car went through before production, I'm certain GM was unable to create EVERY situation for the Camaro to be tested under. I'm just pointing things out as I experience them. Apparently the Camaro is not the only car to have this feature, so therefore it is not unique to the Camaro. I see this feature as a minor blemish that can be bypassed or corrected. GM left the door wide open for enthusiasts to get around the system, and I'm not naive about it's purpose. This car is absolutely amazing in every way, including fit and finish. Believe me, I KNOW there could be worse problems, but pointing out things like this is helpful to others so they can at least be more "aware." Will this feature put somebody's life in danger? Probably not, but one potential accident is still one too many as far as I'm concerned.

[coolman]

To skip shift or not to skip shift that is the question.


I just like saying skip shift. LOL , Really This is not the first car to have it and will not be the last. I never had any problems with it in any corvette I've owned. I haven't really driven the camaro enough yet to say. I'll let you know in the spring when it comes back out.

[Coldpants]

How skip shift can be a problem.
1. Pull off.
2. Try to shift into second.
3.Cannot shift into 2nd and you do not see the DIC message because your looking at the road like you should be.
4.realize its the skip shift 1/4 second later
5.shift into 4th but now the revs are too low and the car lugs/ Or shift back down into first and the car lurches which is great fun too.