Top Mount Decision- TVS2300, KB, Whipple

[thekid96]

Thanks for your input which is all valid. My reference to the FMIC was more in reference to the big air/air units on the centri set-ups that completely change the airflow and cooling dynamics of the system. I just spent a year optimizing a system on my Corvette and don't want to do it again.
And yes, the stock brakes blow. Looking at a Stoptech system after tax time.
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Originally Posted by Sack Rat 2SS

Your point about NOT wanting a front mount intercooler to interfere with engine system cooling isn't going to happen. At least not with Magncharger. The Maggie kit comes with the air to water intercooler mounted ahead of the factory radiator. All these blowers have some form of intercooling and you need and want it. Whether air to air OR air to water it is going to be up front where there is cool air and to a degree will affect engine cooling airflow. If you are going to do 30 minute track events I highly suggest you add high capacity race radiator, add better tranny cooler, add differential cooler, etc. Also, these factory brembo brakes are dog poop on a closed circuit so a big upgrade needed there as well. Good Luck

[thekid96]

So when is the first KB and Whipple going to be installed and tuned on a customer car so we can see some data?

[old motorhead]

Are any of you that are considering a supercharger system that has been tested only by the folks marketing the blower, feel the least bit uncomfortable? I sure would. There are proven systems out there that have been tested repeatedly. Why on earth would anyone buy a system that is unproven? Only prototypes "tested" by the folks that manufacture the units. I've been trapped into believing what a manufacturer represented as fact. I had to involve attorneys to get my money back. The dispute was settled out of court and I got my money back + attorney fees. Big hassle. Never again.

[thekid96]

Si, my request above is for substantive data. To me that implies the product performs as advertised or to a promised level or I get my $ back. I understand there are variables involved that are outside of the manufactures control, the typical caveat emptor, but who wants to spend $8k on a consumer good that doesn't meet expectations? Hence my questions, and what should we expect from each system.

Originally Posted by old motorhead

Are any of you that are considering a supercharger system that has been tested only by the folks marketing the blower, feel the least bit uncomfortable? I sure would. There are proven systems out there that have been tested repeatedly. Why on earth would anyone buy a system that is unproven? Only prototypes "tested" by the folks that manufacture the units. I've been trapped into believing what a manufacturer represented as fact. I had to involve attorneys to get my money back. The dispute was settled out of court and I got my money back + attorney fees. Big hassle. Never again.

[old motorhead]

Originally Posted by thekid96

Si, my request above is for substantive data. To me that implies the product performs as advertised or to a promised level or I get my $ back. I understand there are variables involved that are outside of the manufactures control, the typical caveat emptor, but who wants to spend $8k on a consumer good that doesn't meet expectations? Hence my questions, and what should we expect from each system.

You asked for "substantive answers based on actual data". You then will "fill in the blanks as manufacturers chime in". So.....you're going to take their claims and "interpret". You're going to somehow separate the wheat from the chaff without any independent research or testing. You sir, are their legal prey. I wish you luck....

[thekid96]

I am missing the part I am going to interpret. I asked for substantive data, i.e. it can be subtantiated, supported with facts, etc. and then I will post that data and potentially make my decision based on it. I didn't say I was going to buy blower based on a vendor posting the highest numbers.
There is also a negotiation stage where a vendor selling a good can agree to expectations, such as their own claims. Seems logical to me, and it can all take place on a public forum as well as in writing.

Originally Posted by old motorhead

You asked for "substantive answers based on actual data". You then will "fill in the blanks as manufacturers chime in". So.....you're going to take their claims and "interpret". You're going to somehow separate the wheat from the chaff without any independent research or testing. You sir, are their legal prey. I wish you luck....

[EDISKRAD EHT]

Originally Posted by Total_Perf_Eng

Yessir..

By that time our 434" Stroker (Using an RHS Race Block, and AllPro LSW heads) powered Camaro with the 3.6lc will be running.

That's AWESOME.

[nfamous209]

Originally Posted by old motorhead

Are any of you that are considering a supercharger system that has been tested only by the folks marketing the blower, feel the least bit uncomfortable? I sure would. There are proven systems out there that have been tested repeatedly. Why on earth would anyone buy a system that is unproven? Only prototypes "tested" by the folks that manufacture the units. I've been trapped into believing what a manufacturer represented as fact. I had to involve attorneys to get my money back. The dispute was settled out of court and I got my money back + attorney fees. Big hassle. Never again.

so ur saying dont buy something thats new to the market? someone has to buy it or else no one will. maggie advertised their s/c numbers and everything before it was in production. people bought it. same for procharger and vortech. advertising is what brings peoples attention. by that comment ur it seems like ur waiting for others to be the guinea pig so u can see real world numbers. damn if everyone was like that then the after market would die.

i think all systems have been proven in other platforms so i believe each company knows what they are doing, all have been producing the claimed numbers. its just a matter of personal preference.

[Mike@KB]

Originally Posted by old motorhead

Are any of you that are considering a supercharger system that has been tested only by the folks marketing the blower, feel the least bit uncomfortable? I sure would. There are proven systems out there that have been tested repeatedly. Why on earth would anyone buy a system that is unproven? Only prototypes "tested" by the folks that manufacture the units. I've been trapped into believing what a manufacturer represented as fact. I had to involve attorneys to get my money back. The dispute was settled out of court and I got my money back + attorney fees. Big hassle. Never again.

I see your concern. Anyone can come here and claim 1 million HP on pump fuel. We do extensive testing with our systems. We try to educate our customers so they can make a confident decision without remorse. We have been in the business for many years (since '58). I can assure you the kit will get you the HP and torque gains as advertised. All tests we do can be repeated on any Dyno jet, if performed correctly. Our kit (2.8) has been completed (mechanically) since around the middle of October. We have been perfecting the tune (altitude/weather). We will not release a kit until everything is complete. We are actually in the process of intentionally "blowing up " our 2010 Camaro. We'll run it up on the Dyno jet until something fails. We do this with all of our systems.

I would suggest to anyone before making a purchase like this to research the company. Look them up on the Better business bureau.

[hypurone]

Mike@KB,

I am shopping for a SC kit. I want some kind of warranty that will supplant my 5/100 GM warranty that will be lost when a SC is installed. No one I have talked to on the phone (Magnuson & Edelbrock are the 2 I called recently) will warrant any powertrain failure, unless the car is 100% stock inc the tune (stock tune that comes with the SC). Are you any different? If so, what is your warranty? Does your kit work with any of the major CAI suppliers (C.A.I specifically for me)?

Inquiring minds need to know...

[thekid96]

When do you plan on publishing numbers? I would assume if you are in the process of pushing the car to the limit you have some idea of what a reasonable tune will yield, what sort of IATs you are seeing, etc?

Originally Posted by Mike@KB

I see your concern. Anyone can come here and claim 1 million HP on pump fuel. We do extensive testing with our systems. We try to educate our customers so they can make a confident decision without remorse. We have been in the business for many years (since '58). I can assure you the kit will get you the HP and torque gains as advertised. All tests we do can be repeated on any Dyno jet, if performed correctly. Our kit (2.8) has been completed (mechanically) since around the middle of October. We have been perfecting the tune (altitude/weather). We will not release a kit until everything is complete. We are actually in the process of intentionally "blowing up " our 2010 Camaro. We'll run it up on the Dyno jet until something fails. We do this with all of our systems.

I would suggest to anyone before making a purchase like this to research the company. Look them up on the Better business bureau.

[Mike@KB]

Originally Posted by hypurone

Mike@KB,

I am shopping for a SC kit. I want some kind of warranty that will supplant my 5/100 GM warranty that will be lost when a SC is installed. No one I have talked to on the phone (Magnuson & Edelbrock are the 2 I called recently) will warrant any powertrain failure, unless the car is 100% stock inc the tune (stock tune that comes with the SC). Are you any different? If so, what is your warranty? Does your kit work with any of the major CAI suppliers (C.A.I specifically for me)?

Inquiring minds need to know...

Hypurone, Sorry but we do not offer any supplemental warranty. We offer a 12 month warranty on all of the component parts and compressor but nothing for the drive train. Our kit will come complete with the CAI and everything. If you leave the system alone(not inching the boost up) then it will live a long time. Just check the oil every time you change the oil in the car and change the compressor oil every 12,000 miles. If you do these simple things the kit will give you years of enjoyment!

[Mike@KB]

Originally Posted by thekid96

When do you plan on publishing numbers? I would assume if you are in the process of pushing the car to the limit you have some idea of what a reasonable tune will yield, what sort of IATs you are seeing, etc?

Just getting everything together. We will have a load of data for you with all of the numbers soon.

[thekid96]

I saw a KB equipped Camaro at Cars n Coffee this morning, apparently a guy with a shop here in SoCal who is doing the testing and will be the car used for certs? He said there are two KB Camaros out and about, when will we get some numbers and data? Oh ya, the blower pulley was huge, what is it running 6lbs of boost?

Originally Posted by Mike@KB

Just getting everything together. We will have a load of data for you with all of the numbers soon.