SS A6 or M6 faster??????

[TommyTSquared]

Originally Posted by tony1

As far as stock .. I agree


I didn't say a Stock Manual .. I said A manual with headers and a tune also the Auto will win.

Man ohh Man the Manual's just want to find a way to say there better ...

That was his point, that people aren't comparing stock.

[tony1]

Originally Posted by TommyTSquared

That was his point, that people aren't comparing stock.

I know ..sorry but he said a A6 with a tune against a stock M6. And I never said that .. the orginal post never mentioned STOCK. There are alot of people that will get a Tune w/headers that's why I threw it out there that IF you want to go this route which many will the Auto IS FASTER ...

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by TommyTSquared

That was his point, that people aren't comparing stock.

Yep...this is my whole point. The only true way to compare the two is at the stock level. Anything else and you're just comparing who's mods are better. Tuning is NOT stock.

If you're going to bring mods into it, then lets just look at the fastest one of all, the only one to pull a 10 second quarter. Guess what...it's a manual. Mods aren't created equal and the only time you can really compare the two types of cars are when they ARE stock. So, you can't even say that automatics are the fastest since right now a manual IS the fastest.

I race sailboats. The best RACING is done with boats that are equal, and it's called one-design racing. Another example would be IROC for cars, where the cars are prepared the same, so that driver skill is what matters.

I've never disputed that automatics produce more consistent runs, but when you have the L06 and L99 motors, there is a big difference...and that difference shows in the stock times you see on this site for the quarter mile. When someone asks which is fastest, I would base it off the stock versions, because...as I said earlier, modding is about whos got the biggest wallet.

[v6sonoma]

There is nothing to debate here. Stock fresh out the gate and unaltered the A6 is the "faster" car. Thats according to GM. I have an LS3 and could care less because as long as it's a Chevy Camaro it's going to kick the crap out of the mustang and challenger.

[TommyTSquared]

Originally Posted by tony1

Man ohh Man the Manual's just want to find a way to say there better ... I don't blame you.. who wants to hear Stock for Stock they are just about equal then throw in if they both have a Tune with Headers the Auto wins.. It will kinda piss you off if you have a stick ... But lets all just get along .. I think this post says it all ....

I really do like how you're being hypocritical with your posts and throw around blanket statements. You're doing the same thing by saying "with X mods or X tune the auto wins" - just want to find a way to say which is better.

OP obviously was talking about stock for stock unless he's ordering with mods/tune from the factory. You're not doing anything to help any cause other than make yourself look silly.


edit: there is a LOT of misinformation in this thread there is no question about that. There are more than enough posts on this forum which show numbers that answer the OPs question. Simple and concise.

[chain1]

Originally Posted by tony1

Man ohh Man the Manual's just want to find a way to say there better ... I don't blame you.. who wants to hear Stock for Stock they are just about equal then throw in if they both have a Tune with Headers the Auto wins.. It will kinda piss you off if you have a stick ... But lets all just get along .. I think this post says it all ....

I can no longer follow your logic. I'm not even sure why you're getting so defensive.

Once and for all, when comparing a Stock M6 to a Stock A6, based on the facts that we have available, which is quicker? Can you answer that question? Let me help you out....

Stock

1. 2quick - 12.61 @ 111.60 mph, (LS3, M6)
2. nhra stocker - 12.62 @ 110.30, (LS3, M6)
3. b20 - 12.81 @ 108.73 mph, (LS3, M6)
4. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
5. 8ty8ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6)
6. 1stGM - 12.98 @ 107. 34 mph, (L99, A6)
7. blufin - 13.03 @ 109.20 mph, (LS3, M6)
8. SSmokey - 13.04 @ 110.80 mph, (LS3, M6)
9. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
10. Kathy63 - 13.07 @ 105.84 mph, (LS3, m6)
11. Will69camaro - 13.09 @ 109.70 mph, (LS3 M6), (DA +276)
12. Malice - 13.10 @ 107.64 mph, ( LS3, M6)
13. 8secpumpgas - 13.11 @ 106.38 mph, (L99, A6)
14. Dentyneice - 13.17 @ 109.77 mph, (LS3, M6)
15. acatlover13 - 13.20 @ 105.99 mph, (L99, A6)
16. Three-D - 13.25 @ 109.84 mph, (LS3, M6)
17. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)
18. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph, (LS3, M6)
19. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)
20. gtwss - 13.29 @ 108.09 mph, (LS3, M6)
21. Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph, (LS3, M6)
22. Midnight Maro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)
23. DarricSS - 13.37 @ 105.89 mph, (LS3, M6), (DA + 3331)
24. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)
25. PwrTrip - 13.41 @ 105.01 mph, (L99, A6)
26. Kaler - 13.44 @ 108.64 mph, (L99, A6)
27. Grand Pa - 13.46 @ 104.92 mph, (L99, A6)
28. Don 0 - 13.50 @ 104.07 mph, (L99, A6)
29. SS/RS - 13.54 @ 107.44 mph (LS3, M6), (DA +1187 ft.)
30. BLT4SPD - 13.58 @ 96.34 mph, (L99, A6)

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

Just a follow up. I'm not trying to hate on Automatics here. Just trying to inject fact into what has been more opinion than anything else.

Also, stock vs stock is going to be the main measuring stick here, because as soon as you start modding it generally becomes apples to oranges rather than Washington Golden Delicious to Fuji Apples.

Case in point? Fastest 2010 Camaro 1/4 mile is currently held by a manual.

Many of you have probably seen the Hennessey vs. Super Cobra vs modded Challanger video by Motor trend? Camaro came up on top, but you can bet that Ford people are complaining about "but with better tires we would have destroyed you".

Until people with stock Auto's start posting faster times in the 1/4 mile here, the only fact we have here at C5 is that the top 4 positions in 1/4 mile times are held by Manuals. And until that changes, saying Automatics are faster is going against the FACTS we have at our disposal.

As others have said, Auto's will be more consistent. But, consistent doesn't mean faster.

Well, stock, I'll take the A6 L99 in the 1/8th mile. The M6 LS3 will edge the 1/4 mile. But I think it's a lot easier to mod the A6 to be faster. Simple tune gives much more benefit to the auto.

Oh, and I agree that the stick is funner. I'm just burnt out shifting gears. Drove a TT for 9 years. lol

[Black5thgen]

It's true that a an auto shifts faster, but a manual can be launched better. M6 with a good driver will come out on top. You can't argue with the fast list and dyno numbers.

[PQ]

Well, may not matter. I don't think many at the fest will be stock by then. lmao

I might go back just for the hell of it and list the 1/8th mile times and the 330' times. Might be interesting. I'm not saying the autos will be a big winner there but that HP the manuals have will make a big diff. on the last 660'.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

It's true that a an auto shifts faster, but a manual can be launched better. M6 with a good driver will come out on top. You can't argue with the fast list and dyno numbers.

Not true, auto will still be faster out of the whole ...

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

Not true, auto will still be faster out of the whole ...

I'm beginning to think that the people driving automatics are blind to facts. The fastest 4 times are manuals. 8 out of the top 10 stock times are manuals.

Please, please tell me how these FACTS prove automatics are faster?

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

I'm beginning to think that the people driving automatics are blind to facts. The fastest 4 times are manuals. 8 out of the top 10 stock times are manuals.

Please, please tell me how these FACTS prove automatics are faster?

Don't lump me into that category. I'm telling you the auto is faster 'stock' 0-60mph. The op asked which is faster. For that matter they are both limited at 155mph so they are the same. Noone defined faster.

I suspect the auto will be the same or maybe .05 faster to 330 feet.

I'm saying that it is easier to mod the A6 to be faster in the quarter. the auto benefits more from a tune. Ya, that's a mod, but I considered it when I ordered mine. A simple tune gets me faster than a stock M6 and as fast as a tuned M6.

The M6 is faster 'stock' in the 1/4 mile by about a tenth on average. The A6 is faster 0-60mph by about a tenth on average. And that's why I wonder about the 330' times stock.

[Matrix]

Originally Posted by Dire Wolf

The automatic is probably faster off the line due to the fact that the manual is hard to launch quickly for most people. So 0-60 feet and 0-60 MPH might be faster with the auto. But once you get going I would say the manual has the advantage if you know how to shift as you can get more out of each gear Plus the manual has 26 more HP.

I think given a good driver the manual will win in a long race.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Matrix

I think given a good driver the manual will win in a long race.

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